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10-23-2014 , 05:40 PM

#126

CPHoya

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No really, who are these people who went to college on purpose who were not athletes but wound up in these absurd classes?

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10-23-2014 , 05:48 PM

#127

Dids

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Originally Posted by CPHoya

No really, who are these people who went to college on purpose who were not athletes but wound up in these absurd classes?

People who need to fill out general requirements that don't interest them in the least? Once people know the exist they probably can't hide them from other students.

Students have to take an unreasonably amount of bull**** in most undergrad programs, hard to fault them for trying to find a way around doing the work. If I could have done nothing and got a decent grade it sure would have been preferable to my plan of doing as little as possible just to get a bad but passing one. (liberal arts major with no plans for post-grad education, I stopped giving a **** about my gpa early in the game).

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10-23-2014 , 05:49 PM

#128

Dr McGriddle

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Originally Posted by CPHoya

No really, who are these people who went to college on purpose who were not athletes but wound up in these absurd classes?

Frat bros found out about it. Lol at the inadvertent African American studies minor:

[Two] fraternity members explained that they saw these classes as somewhat of a "loophole" in Chapel Hill's otherwise demanding curriculum, and they never conceived of these classes as being in any way tailored to athletes. In fact, they recalled that a number of their non-athlete fraternity members took so many AFAM classes that they inadvertently ended up with AFAM minors by the time they graduated.

http://www.businessinsider.com/uncs-...t-boys-2014-10

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10-23-2014 , 05:55 PM

#129

Larry Legend

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Originally Posted by CPHoya

No really, who are these people who went to college on purpose who were not athletes but wound up in these absurd classes?

If they offered these at my school I would have definitely ended up in a couple of them

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10-23-2014 , 06:12 PM

#130

CPHoya

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Fair enough. Still hard to believe that this stayed satisfactorily quiet given the obviousness of the ruse and the 50% non-athlete participation.

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10-23-2014 , 06:13 PM

#131

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Yeah I mean the fact that it was only 52% non-athletes are it his "the frat circuit" is nothing short of a miracle.

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10-23-2014 , 06:16 PM

#132

SteelersDMW

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But how does it get out? I'm sure tons of kids knew about them but since most people only go to one university how did they know it was out of the norm? Also, afaik the frat bros took the class cause it was easy but they didn't get to choose their grades so they likely thought it was just a lol major but nothing illegal. I mean the university offered the classes at the end of the day if I was at UNC I would have taken them as grade boosters but never really thought there was anything "wrong" with it.

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10-23-2014 , 06:16 PM

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tchaz

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Originally Posted by vixticator

Every athletic department for every school should be abolished.

Yes, really.

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10-23-2014 , 06:20 PM

#134

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When I was in school, there was always talk of "this super easy class I'm taking". Then the person would describe why it was easy. Some had no homework, some no tests, whatever. If someone was casually talking about these classes, I'd figure out pretty quickly that it was beyond the typical blow off class, and I doubt highly I'm the only one.

At some point the gossip surrounding these classes, especially as it permeated frat houses, would have to end up with someone smart enough to realize what was up.

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10-23-2014 , 06:36 PM

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napoleoninrags2

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Basically any time I heard about a class that had multiple athletes in it I chalked it up as a cakewalk. And that was a long time ago. If my friends told me of a class they were in that had multiple athletes in it, I was pissed I didn't schedule it, because it had to be easy. This was early on, before I got into core programs. The difference is that it's just understood at most schools. They aren't dumb enough to make it policy and exchange emails about it.

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10-23-2014 , 06:50 PM

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DisGunBGud

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UNC coach Larry Fedora talking about his players today. "I couldn’t tell you what one guy’s major is."

Probably shouldn't say that coach when you have to talk to future recruits mothers and pretend you care.

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10-23-2014 , 07:09 PM

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cobrakai111

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Just to counter the 'it happens everywhere' narrative, FWIW the athletes have been some of the hardest working students in my classes. I've taught four guys on the basketball team and they never missed a class (unexcused) or an assignment.

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10-23-2014 , 07:52 PM

#138

YeahYou

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Originally Posted by cobrakai111

There are athletes that go to class and do things the right way even at schools it happens at.

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10-23-2014 , 08:01 PM

#139

Omar Comin

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I'm sure that current and past UNC students that had to work full time while still being in a ton of debt in order to have the privilege of going to UNC are happy about this.

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10-23-2014 , 08:07 PM

#140

cobrakai111

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I actually like the Big Ten's proposed policy of offering a lifetime education for athletes. Its a really smart and simple cost effective benefit, plus it also helps the "student-athlete" narrative.

Some of these kids simply aren't ready or desire to be students at the age of 18-21, but five years later they might be ready to hit the books and move on from the pipedream of a pro career.

http://www.bigten.org/genrel/100114aaa.html

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Lifetime Educational Commitment: Ensure that scholarships are available for life. If a student-athlete leaves a university for a professional career before graduating, whether the career materializes, and regardless of its length, the scholarship will be honored after his or her playing days are complete.

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10-23-2014 , 08:08 PM

#141

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For some reason, GPAs do matter especially for grad school--it's why i can see people, even non athletes, taking these classes--to boost their GPA for grad school or to have an easy class that can be used for graduation. I was stupid in college and was in one of the hardest majors, it killed my GPA but I was demented. For your first job, your GPA is important, same thing with apply to grad school so an easy 4.0 is something some people want.

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10-23-2014 , 08:14 PM

#142

Omar Comin

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Current ACC commish was UNC AD while this was going on.

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10-23-2014 , 08:41 PM

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Riverman

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Confirmed if you want to go to grad school taking easy classes is the way to go. Law and Business schools are concerned with rankings and a huge component is undergrad GPA. There is of course no adjustment for major or school.

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10-23-2014 , 09:00 PM

#144

tchaz

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Originally Posted by Riverman

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10-23-2014 , 10:24 PM

#145

CalledDownLight

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10 easiest classes at UNC: http://www.sportspickle.com/2014/10/...olina-athletes

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10-23-2014 , 11:11 PM

#146

CubicZirconia

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Originally Posted by capone0

What was your major? Seems awful grad school would value a high GPA in some area like sociology over a lower GPA in something like EE. I think the real moral of the story here is not to go to grad school in law/business/any non-science/engineering/math discipline.

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10-23-2014 , 11:16 PM

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capone0

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Chemical Engineering......I also took very major class for Econ (13) which isn't hard but not easy for "fun" classes.

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10-24-2014 , 01:28 AM

#148

5kids2feed

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imma let y'all finish but we need to take a breath and generally #lolundergrad for a minute

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10-24-2014 , 02:57 AM

#149

stealinpotatoes

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Originally Posted by vhawk01

Grunching a bit, but watched the Deunta Williams and Rashad McCants interviews, and one part of it I'm not really understanding. Why are the athletes playing the role of victim here? Nothing was stopping them from actually showing up, trying hard, or taking real classes. I understand that they are phenomenally stupid, probably went to terrible high schools, and all that. But thats an argument for them not being allowed to go to UNC, not an argument that they were a victim in this scandal. And I get that their argument is "this university should have helped us more, and let us stay eligible legitimately." Which sounds like a good argument, but the problem is these guys are really ****ing stupid. Sure, UNC could have devoted the time and resources to actually educating some of these kids, and bringing them up to a level where they could pass college courses legitimately. And morally and ethically, from the view of an institution of higher learning, of course they should have.

This is completely unrealistic. These kids have a full time job playing football/basketball. I don't care what the rules say, except for the obvious stars, and often including them, if these kids aren't in the gym, on the field, etc. for what amounts to a full work week plus, they lose that scholarship. Most of them are hard-working and disciplined and just as well educated as the typical student, but going to class on top of a full work week is not realistic (nor is it for the kid paying his own way). The whole "student-athlete" thing is a complete sham. Some golfer maybe really is a student, but the tailback never is if he's serious about football.

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10-24-2014 , 03:30 AM

#150

GoldenBears

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I think everybody claiming "THIS HAPPENS EVERYWHERE" needs to rephrase to "THIS HAPPENS EVERYWHERE WHERE THE TEAMS ARE GOOD"

This **** didn't go down at Cal and definitely didn't go down at Stanford, but that's probably why we've sucked at football and basketball for about 50 years

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