UNC Academic Fraud - "Paper Classes" for 1000+ athletes over nearly two decades - Page 2 - Sporting Events and Fantasy Sports

Two Plus Two Forums Sports and Games Sporting Events

UNC Academic Fraud - "Paper Classes" for 1000+ athletes over nearly two decades

Post Reply Subscribe

...

Page 2 of 15

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 12

Page 2 of 15

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 12

10-22-2014 , 04:39 PM

#26

dkgojackets

DKGOAT

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 86,120

they dont like to show up

Quote

10-22-2014 , 04:44 PM

#27

wheatrich

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 21,447

I was under the impression every single athlete only class that about every single school has was something like this (obv not quite to that extent but still). What was the difference they actually didn't go into a classroom?

Should they even be punished? For what doing it better than everyone else?

I mean UNC basically paid the kids diplomas* for playing football or sports and nothing else; isn't this the entirety of the pay them argument? That it's unfair? Instead of a textbook they only had to study a playbook.

*well jeez if you still flunked out of UNC...

Quote

10-22-2014 , 05:04 PM

#28

5kids2feed

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 1,396

Quote:

Originally Posted by DannyOcean_

The question remains if the death penalty is on the table.

penn state tho

Quote

10-22-2014 , 05:06 PM

#29

BigPoppa

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 22,216

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palo

If the NCAA had any real power left this would be a multi year death penalty for their entire athletics program. As is? Maybe a 1-3 year post season ban for all sports but probably not even that.

This

Quote

10-22-2014 , 05:10 PM

#30

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

Quote:

Originally Posted by RT

Best part of the whole thing is that 52.6% of those involved were NOT student athletes. What the ****

This is easily the part I find most confusing.

Quote

10-22-2014 , 05:16 PM

#31

Searix

NFL Swami Overlord

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 19,233

I've tutored a few of the star high school football players in my town over the last few years - some of them are pretty ******ed.

E.g. the starting RB for the team (the team won state that year btw) had about a 6th grade math/english level. Was also monumentally lazy and seemed constantly distracted

Quote

10-22-2014 , 05:19 PM

#32

AUGUY55

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 22,793

How does a major university lose it's accreditation anyway? or have it suspended? You would think something like academic fraud would do it, no?

Quote

10-22-2014 , 05:21 PM

#33

Steroid Boy

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 42,161

Quote

10-22-2014 , 05:22 PM

#34

Noze

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 25,711

There's absolutely zero chance this or even more scandals like this would ever threaten the accreditation of the school. Anyone thinking or saying it will is bad and should feel bad.

Quote

10-22-2014 , 05:24 PM

#35

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr McGriddle

could you imagine how many moral high ground/shame on you columns which would be written if this scandal happened at a place like FSU or Alabama?

This is so much worse than some of the other scandals of recent memory (ohio state tattoo deal, Miami booster etc) as it really is institutionalized fraud. Let the wrist slapping commence!

and my favorite part of the scandal, a sample of an A- paper lol:

That essay is actually what appears on the first page of the book Rosa Parks: My Story, except subtly reworded. So not only is it garbage, it's plagiarized, and obviously so.

Quote

10-22-2014 , 05:32 PM

#36

BigPoppa

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 22,216

This would be an obvious "loss of institutional control" situation that would warrant the Death Penalty, but if systematically covering up child rape for years doesn't qualify....

Quote

10-22-2014 , 05:39 PM

#37

StoppedRainingMen

Player Hater of the Year

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 57,479

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigPoppa

This would be an obvious "loss of institutional control" situation that would warrant the Death Penalty, but if systematically covering up child rape for years doesn't qualify....

While clearly not worse than child rape this is still far more likely to get a death penalty punishment if the idea of 'student athletes' means anything at all to the NCAA

Quote

10-22-2014 , 05:40 PM

#38

aces_dad

veteran

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,639

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

This is easily the part I find most confusing.

Looks like the frat boys found out about it:

Other evidence indicates Crowder wasn’t willing to help everyone get into the classes. One email suggested Crowder was struggling to manage all the students enrolling in independent studies classes and sought to ramp them down. An academic adviser said in the email that Crowder was concerned knowledge of the independent studies had “sort of gotten into the frat circuit.”

Read more here: More details

Quote

10-22-2014 , 05:41 PM

#39

DannyOcean_

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 28,336

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steroid Boy

jesus h christ I didn't realize they had pictures of them actually explaining the fraud to the coaches via powerpoint.

wooooooooooooooooow. I assumed the coaches would just be very see-no-evil about the whole thing.

Quote

10-22-2014 , 05:47 PM

#40

zoltanbuccos

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,241

This literally happens at every large school.

Quote

10-22-2014 , 05:53 PM

#41

RonMexico

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,323

No it does not literally happen every large school.

Quote

10-22-2014 , 05:54 PM

#42

Dr McGriddle

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 645

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoltanbuccos

This literally happens at every large school.

Roy Williams ITT

Quote

10-22-2014 , 06:06 PM

#43

tarheeljks

The Dark Knight

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 37,654

wonder what they did to have this come out now after all these years

edit: hope this brings the ncaa down somehow

Quote

10-22-2014 , 06:06 PM

#44

DWetzel

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 42,349

if the NCAA doesn't drop the hammer then we know they are total frauds

Spoiler:

Quote

10-22-2014 , 06:09 PM

#45

DannyOcean_

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 28,336

the 'IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE' people are kinda silly. It obviously doesn't happen everywhere. And in the places it does happen, it doesn't always happen to this degree.

Quote

10-22-2014 , 06:15 PM

#46

A-Rod's Cousin

banned

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 37,130

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigPoppa

This would be an obvious "loss of institutional control" situation that would warrant the Death Penalty, but if systematically covering up child rape for years doesn't qualify....

This. Nothing to see here; money talks, etc.

I mean decades of rampant child rape coverup wasn't enough for this so-called death penalty then literally nothing at all is. There is nothing a university can do to lose its accreditation.

SPORTS!

Quote

10-22-2014 , 06:16 PM

#47

tarheeljks

The Dark Knight

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 37,654

@dannyocean i don't agree*. that said all athletic teams involved should face lengthy bans, people should be fired, vilified, etc.

edit: not "everywhere"