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Super Bowl XLVIII: Seattle Seahawks (GOAT D) v. Denver Broncos (goats) (-2.5, 48)

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Denver by 7+

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Denver by 0-6

55 18.84%

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Seattle by 7+

53 18.15%

Peyton GOAT if he wins

47 16.10%

Sherman GOAT regardless

74 25.34%

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02-03-2014 , 04:03 PM

#4526

wiper

still catching up

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 42,642

when does the "Pete Carroll for God" talk start?

binked a natty at USC, binked a Super Bowl....

I'm not sayin', but when?

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02-03-2014 , 04:06 PM

#4527

Dids

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Obv nobody knew Sherman would be the best. But they likely knew he'd return a lot of value relative to where he was picked. There's a ton of other players that make better examples of the Hawks killing it with talent evaluation/picking up undervalued resources (the Moneyballing)/finding the right pieces to fit their system. Calling it just getting lucky on draft picks (and UDFA's?) seems like it has to be done with one's head halfway on its way into the sand.

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02-03-2014 , 04:06 PM

#4528

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

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Originally Posted by grizy

I find myself in the odd position of agreeing with Wookie.

I also think it's implausible it's all in the draft selections themselves. Training and game plan have got to play a role when the results are so many standard deviations from the norm.

I don't disagree with you. Carroll is great at coaching people up, and his system is working great. There's still a case for good drafting, however, as Kris Durham, Winston Guy, and Chris Harper have all gone on to be contributers, even starters on other teams.

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02-03-2014 , 04:07 PM

#4529

chim17

Snowboarding concerts and punk music

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This is basically the debate KB4Z was born to have.

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02-03-2014 , 04:09 PM

#4530

Shark Sandwich

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lol Jags by the way

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02-03-2014 , 04:10 PM

#4531

Dids

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Obv it's somewhat different, but look at the NFL teams Pete had at USC (and note that his assistants haven't set the world on fire, except for Lane, but that wasn't in a good way). He's clearly got some pretty elite talent evaluation chops.

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02-03-2014 , 04:12 PM

#4532

capone0

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02-03-2014 , 04:19 PM

#4533

Goodie

Pooh-Bah

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgBrw3_bols

Dilusional Seahawks fan.

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02-03-2014 , 04:21 PM

#4534

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

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Hey guys, look. Goodie is calling a football fan "dilusional" (sic).

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02-03-2014 , 04:24 PM

#4535

Dids

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Everybody pays, Pete paid the right ones!

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02-03-2014 , 04:27 PM

#4536

Goodie

Pooh-Bah

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Hey guys, look. Goodie is calling a football fan "dilusional" (sic).

Do you disagree? You probably didn't even click on the video.

Good talking with you Wookie!!

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02-03-2014 , 04:28 PM

#4537

Shark Sandwich

1-2-teddied

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 20,503

That guy's a god damn idiot, it was me who caused the safety

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02-03-2014 , 04:31 PM

#4538

StoppedRainingMen

Player Hater of the Year

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is a dilusional fan one who sees pickles?

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02-03-2014 , 04:31 PM

#4539

Kneel B4 Zod

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

This isn't just binking on Wilson and calling it being a good drafter. The team has hit so many times on late round picks that it's just not reasonable to assume the most probable explanation is that Schneider is an average drafter who runs hot. The number of Seahawks draft selections under Schneider (who started with the 2010 draft) who are out of the NFL at this point? (Not on IR or a practice squad)

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wrt Wilson, Schneider was always super high on him, but gambled that they'd be able to scoop him in the third, allowing them to grab two other top picks first. He was right. That is absolutely good drafting, even if he got a little lucky that he didn't get sniped.

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You guys are all basically making the same argument - that the results have been awesome, so obviously the process must be awesome. but plenty of other GM's have had sick results over a few years, only to return to being an average drafter. Polian was sick until he wasn't. Pioli / BB were great until they weren't. Newsome was the GOAT GM until he decided to pay Flacco $20m a year.

wait 4 more years, then I'll buy that Schneider has figured out something nobody else in the NFL ever has. Until then, 'variance' is easily the most likely explanation.

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02-03-2014 , 04:33 PM

#4540

Dids

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Originally Posted by Goodie

Do you disagree? You probably didn't even click on the video.

Good talking with you Wookie!!

The kettle never claimed not to be black.

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02-03-2014 , 04:35 PM

#4541

#Thinman

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if you're not first, you're last!

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02-03-2014 , 04:35 PM

#4542

Needle77

No Longer Protecting

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Originally Posted by Shark Sandwich

lol Jags by the way

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02-03-2014 , 04:37 PM

#4543

Seadood228

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

Yeah maybe it's just variance/luck, but I think it's safe to say that they have coached whatever draft picks up a ton to get to where they are now. It would be a disservice not to credit their coaching staff just as much for guys like Sherman.. oh and especially KAM.

So maybe it's less drafting well and more having such a great system that you can go after guys other teams don't covet.

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02-03-2014 , 04:38 PM

#4544

Dids

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I like the Jags. They have some hilarious twitter folks and are like Seattle's baby brother. Just so long as they know their place and keep losing to us, I'm cool with them.

The only team I hate is the Steelers, because I have a soul.

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02-03-2014 , 04:39 PM

#4545

Needle77

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Let's be real though GM Gene was never drafting Wilson. "Character issues with transferring" and he went to a college people heard of.

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02-03-2014 , 04:40 PM

#4546

boostfiend

journeyman

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Anyone think the pass interference call was a bit on the light side when it was 3&4 8-0? Seems like if Denver would have turned to face the ball at all there is almost no way the ref is calling that pass interference.

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02-03-2014 , 04:42 PM

#4547

Needle77

No Longer Protecting

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Really what we should be discussing is that Peyton Manning is a nobody without Bob Sanders.

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02-03-2014 , 04:43 PM

#4548

Seadood228

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I thought it was legit, but I do think they missed one on the next serious that happened just before Kam's int return.

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02-03-2014 , 04:43 PM

#4549

Kurn, son of Mogh

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Pats fans still the worst

163-61 over 14 years will do that.

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02-03-2014 , 04:46 PM

#4550

Dids

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Originally Posted by boostfiend

Anyone think the pass interference call was a bit on the light side when it was 3&4 8-0? Seems like if Denver would have turned to face the ball at all there is almost no way the ref is calling that pass interference.

Which is kinda like saying "If I hadn't killed that guy, I wouldn't have been charged with murder". You can't faceguard in the NFL.

That call was obvious.

The non-PI call on Thomas where he was going for the ball and ran into the WR was closer, but I think that should be a non-call.

Can't really think of many ref errors at all.

Although on Pete's challenge- did he **** up by challenging the first down and not the spot- or is that the only thing you can challenge. Buck (because he never does) didn't explain ****- but it seemed like the refs admitted they (badly) mispotted the ball, but that it was still short.

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