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06-14-2013 , 02:12 PM

#2776

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Perfect timing stuff is pretty deadspinny. Simmons was something new/different/cool. then when everyone else did the same thing as him and he somehow branched out to become even more popular/influential.

I mean no one cares about his columns anymore so if that's what your concentrating on then you're missing the important stuff about his career/influence.

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06-14-2013 , 02:14 PM

#2777

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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master

Yeah, pretty absurd that his attitude is (and he explicitly said this before) why even send us if you are not going to give us much air time. As someone who claims to love the NBA, it must be terrible to be paid millions to hang out with Magic, Jalen, and Wilbon at sick NBA playoff series on ESPN's dime. Don't see any of those other guys complaining about it.

I think a big disconnect here is many think he was pining for this job when espn has been pushing hard to get him on TV for years and he has really limited his exposure pre countdown.

You can't really look at it through the viewpoint that he's lucky espn will put him on TV when espn was the one pushing it on him.

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06-14-2013 , 02:17 PM

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meh, so he says

i'm sure it's true to some extent, but you can't ignore stuff like him interjecting himself into the Red Sox 30 for 30 ep, etc

guessing he doesn't hate being on TV as much as he might have said in the past

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06-14-2013 , 02:18 PM

#2779

Dean Manifest

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Originally Posted by nickthetick

Bill needs to stop having his buds try to talk serious, and analytical about things.

This.

It's just like LeBron's "advisors" all coming from his neighborhood.

It works out okay when an expert or insider comes on for a chat with Simmons representing the voice of the fan (leaning on anecdotal evidence and the eye test, saying things like, "ask anyone who had season tickets back then, you weren't coming in to the Garden and winning a Game 5, you just weren't"). Those guys need to have their methodologies put to the question by a skeptical fan from time to time, just like Bill's theories need to be put under the microscope by an informed expert. I see a value in that stuff. But when it's Bill and Joe rehashing a bar room conversation with no voice of authority to distinguish sense from nonsense.....it doesn't go so well.

I get it. Who hasn't had a crazy conversation at the bar and said, "this could be on the radio!!!" But lets get real...

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06-14-2013 , 02:20 PM

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also back in the day he was pretty proud of being a "mom's basement" type blogger with no access, connections, and all that so he could write as honestly as possible. now he's got Darryl Morey on speed dial, hanging out at Jimmy Kimmel's place with Tom Cruise, and so on. things change.

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I get it. Who hasn't had a crazy conversation at the bar and said, "this could be on the radio!!!" But lets get real...

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06-14-2013 , 02:22 PM

#2781

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Originally Posted by Henrik Sedin

He did like ten PTIs and a couple 30/30s when he was the biggest name they had for years. That's nothing when you consider the saturation of espn. Look at Rick Reilly.

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06-14-2013 , 02:24 PM

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Pretty much anybody in the world who likes basketball and doesn't social anxiety issues, including Magic ****ing Johnson, is lucky to be in that position. Even someone with a resume like Chris Webber who, imo, was great on TNT was pushed out for Shaq.

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06-14-2013 , 02:24 PM

#2783

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Originally Posted by Henrik Sedin

Is the sell out deadspin thing a complaint or something? Like should he still live in his moms basement or something?

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06-14-2013 , 02:26 PM

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also i'm not sure if Bill's NBA crew there would do all that great of a job anyway if they were given more time and space to analyze and break things down, are any of them good at that? Jalen maybe? i can't ever remember Magic ever making a good point at basketball, which is kind of crazy given how much he's been on TV over the years.

or if that's even good for ratings, etc if they tried for that.

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Is the sell out deadspin thing a complaint or something? Like should he still live in his moms basement or something?

i'm just pointing out that he changed his mind about having distance from his subject, connections and all that. not gonna call him a sellout or anything, it's just the natural evolution of things, most people would have done the same. but he originally positioned himself as an outsider, which is easy to do when you're on the outside.

so maybe he's changed his mind about being on TV as well, despite his protestations. does he even write much anymore? i only check Grantland every once in a while, and i rarely see articles by him when i do.

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06-14-2013 , 02:27 PM

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Perfect timing stuff is pretty deadspinny.

I don't know what that means, but saying he had perfect timing is simply a fact. It doesn't diminish from how good he was at what he did. But just like Bill Gates would've been useless had he been born in 1865 despite his obvious genius (and much less significant had he been born in 1985), Bill Simmons would have been lucky to be a beat reporter in 1975 (and would've had a much different challenge if he'd graduated college in 2010).

Simmons is very talented. Anyone could have started a blog and ridden it all the way up the ladder- only Simmons did. But he also had tremendous timing. I didn't expect this to be a point of contention.

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06-14-2013 , 02:28 PM

#2786

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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master

This is "who do these athletes think they are, they make millions!" type garbage. Simmons is bigger than NBA countdown. If he doesn't like it he should leave, but the idea that he should just be happy to be there is pretty dumb if he isn't happy to be there.

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06-14-2013 , 02:34 PM

#2787

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Originally Posted by Dean Manifest

Career ev was way better in 1975 for a sports reporter than in 1998 or whatever for the guy starting a blog on his aol homepage.

The tremendous timing thing is just a lame qualifer. It's deadspinny because all the hacky guys at deadspin think they would be bill Simmons (but better) it they were born three years earlier or whatever.

Truth is it was pretty brutal for someone who wanted to write for a living in the early Internet age. People like Simmons helped create jobs that didn't really exist and had to breakthrough the old media stranglehold. They should be given credit for being the first not having their "good luck" held against them.

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06-14-2013 , 02:34 PM

#2788

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Is the sell out deadspin thing a complaint or something? Like should he still live in his moms basement or something?

Totally agree. (Did someone suggest otherwise?) I don't have a problem with Simmons' career path at all. What was he gonna do, keep making pop culture references for forty years? His work with Grantland and 30-for-30 has been great. I think as he continues to evolve (gaining a better understanding of what's science and what's faux science, for example) he'll make more and more interesting contributions. He's a talented guy and we're lucky to have him. (And frankly I'd say the same thing about, wince, Colin Cowherd. The sports world has enough boring reporters.)

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06-14-2013 , 02:36 PM

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No. It's actually quite admirable. He thinks the product sucks, he wants to make it better, and if they won't / can't, he'd rather his employer not waste an assload on it.

Whereas I'm sure jon Barry and Chris Broussard are more than happy to churn out crap for a paycheck.

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06-14-2013 , 02:37 PM

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You are right, I do agree with others that Simmons has an unreal sense of entitlement. If that entitlement issue makes him unhappy with this great opportunity then he should leave, sucks for him that he can't enjoy what he does have though. I mean he brags all the time about how awesome its is the he and Magic are "buds" now because of this job and how awesome it is to watch games with him. But oh man, they cut out some of my witty one-liners, and that just totally ruined the experience for me.

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06-14-2013 , 02:37 PM

#2791

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Deadspin article that was mildly interesting about the alleged censoring of the Germany joke, which appears not to have been censoring at all, and instead just cutting of unneeded commentary:

http://deadspin.com/bill-simmons-is-...-thi-513373204

Deadspin comment that is pretty much amazing (insulting, rude, etc.), from commenter Beard_of_Biff_Pocobra:

Spoiler:

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06-14-2013 , 02:39 PM

#2792

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I mean I've hated on Simmons hard itt. I legit dislike his writing now. Just think people need to take a step back and realize the magnitude of his career and what he has built its pretty crazy.

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06-14-2013 , 02:42 PM

#2793

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The product doesn't suck just because they don't give him the time he thinks he deserves. They are asking you to fill a certain short amount of time. Fill that time to the best of your abilities and enjoy the experience, imo.

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06-14-2013 , 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Franchise 60

I mean I've hated on Simmons hard itt. I legit dislike his writing now. Just think people need to take a step back and realize the magnitude of his career and what he has built its pretty crazy.

and who is denying this? great for him!

as for the TV work, he thinks the product sucks, and hates being on TV in the first place, so let's see if he quits or not. i'm guessing he won't (unless he's gonna get booted off anyway).

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06-14-2013 , 02:50 PM

#2795

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While I agree that Bill can be a bit of a brat about things, I disagree that he'll be a hypocrit. I think he'll leave the show if he can't express himself the way that he wants to. Bill is good for ESPN, and if you're sick of ESPN like I am, then he's good for us too. While he might not be taking these stands if he didn't have the financial security and leverage he has currently, well, he DOES have em. And I for one am glad.

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06-14-2013 , 03:06 PM

#2796

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What stand is he taking? That ABC should have a post-game show or that he should get an extra minute or two on Sportscenter? Sorry that the peoplez like their local news/late night shows on ABC, and watch Sportscenter mainly for the highlights.

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06-14-2013 , 03:08 PM

#2797

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Originally Posted by Henrik Sedin

So either he won't quit, or if he quits it will be because he was gonna get fired anyway.

At least you let it be known that you'll mold the reality to fit your expectations ahead of time I guess.

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06-14-2013 , 03:14 PM

#2798

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or maybe he stays and turns it into the GOAT show bc he's such a genius!

edit: but seriously i just kind of agree with what was stated above, i think he's a bit of a hypocrite, and a lot of a entitled baby when he doesn't get his way. regardless i don't think he'll quit, but might get firing if he keeps bitching and they don't think he's worth the trouble (like as F60 said, they could just throw in some other ESPN rando instead and basically no one would care). and if he was getting booted from the show they'd definitely let him save face by "quitting", so yeah it'll be hard to know what really happened.

if he really has some great ideas to salvage the show i don't see why he doesn't have the clout to try some of them out. but mostly he seems MAD that they cut some meh jopke of his (think most of the ppl who got it didn't think it was all that funny), which is standard behavior from him.

and believe it or not, but i am (or at least was) a fan of his. i used to read all this stuff, listen to the podcasts, bought his NBA book, enjoy the 30 for 30's, etc.

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06-14-2013 , 03:16 PM

#2799

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Does anyone know what the ratings have been for the TNT pre- and post-game shows, vs the ESPN pre- and post-game (or SC right after the game) shows?

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06-16-2013 , 11:41 AM

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Missed all this - f60, yeah, for sure, Simmons legitimized Internet writing and worked real hard and deserves what he's got, but he's also massively lucky. I don't know why we can't hold these two thoughts simultaneously - basically anyone who seizes the Zeitgeist in that way is lucky, but is also talented and hard-working. Jerry Seinfeld - talented, hard-working, incredibly lucky, if he was born 10 years later he could've easily had Brian Regan's career - success, but not a household name.

I don't know why people are calling him a sports journalist because he isn't that, he's a sports columnist, which traditionally you only got to be after you were a sports journalist for many years. He went in through the backdoor and with ESPN's help made it his own thing. And Deadspin are to a large degree a bunch of jealous haters - I enjoy their takedowns of Bill Simmons but see the hating behind it. Still, that is an enormous degree of butthurt over what sounds like a really stupid joke.

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