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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
Eh, I don't keep all my PMs but there were a bunch who claimed it. You're free to not believe me, but why would I make it up?
It's not that I don't believe the PMs exist. It's that I'm skeptical they exist from posters who would otherwise be valuable contributors.
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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
Chicken and egg is irrelevant when the bias is pretty obvious. And you certainly are aware of his issues, so you aren't blind. But definitely biased.
It absolutely matters. It's the difference between causation and correlation. Yes, I am biased towards conversing with people who fit the traits I believe to be most valuable in a conversational partner. And I'm also biased towards trying to suss out what it is that makes a conversation valuable to me, and trying to explain those reasons to reasonable, rational folks like yourself. That's not what you mean when you say "bias", though. I would agree with you if the subject was something unrelated to the exact specific reason I became friends with them in the first place, but in this case, that's exactly what the subject is.
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Oh, please, do you seriously think it was meant to be an exhaustive recap of Assani's SE resume?
"Especially wrt SE, we're talking about the introducing FBG draft threads to this forum, above average basketball discussion and............what? Biased football analysis and Denver is an elite team takes?"
You're saying I misinterpreted this?
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You've said this before privately as a suspicion, but you severely underestimate the impact that their trolling has on people's perception of them when they are trying to have a legit debate. So you think it's disappointing that when Assani "wants to be taken seriously", he isn't (or it's viewed as a negative), but it's Assani's own fault, not some suboptimal flaw in the forum
I think I estimate people's perception of them quite well, which is why I'm disappointed. If Boiling Oat Runner is causing someone to dismiss Assani's NBA posting, then I'm disappointed in them. If one thinks he or Bobbo are trolling when they post controversial statements that they may or may not believe, but think might be worth discussing in order to solidify their own understanding of a topic, same thing.
For a game which you'd all admit still has so many unanswered questions, I see a lot of hair-trigger dismissal going on from people who I am pretty damn sure don't have all the answers. And even if you happen to be right about a specific assertion being made, I'm even more pretty damn sure you haven't explored all the implications, qualitatively or quantitatively, of your position.
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Re: bolded, the prosecution rests re: bias. I'm flabbergasted at that statement. (and I think Bobbo has by-and-large been outstanding lately)
This was in regards to them contributing most of the interesting material in TZ these days. Counterexample?
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Nah, it's a negative. When the Asseni gimmick is as successful as it is, it should be obvious there's a problem. Assani has caused multiple threads in the ATF forum of posters who wanted him banned due to his trolling. In what way is that a good thing? It detracts from all of the positive things he does.
The Asseni gimmick was successful because it was funny. I thought that was obvious. I'm not swayed by people wanting him banned in other forums. Those other forums are composed mostly of people with whom I couldn't stomach more than 30 seconds of conversation.
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You blame the forum for not taking him seriously when he wants to be, but how do you not see that it's all Assani's own fault?
Because A clearly doesn't imply B, and I'm living proof. Beefcake.