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07-02-2014 , 09:57 AM
Why?

TSO may have made a bad call about the relative abilities of the two players at the start of last season, but I think its clear that his views on Torres had become correctly less positive by the end of the season.
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07-02-2014 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Why?

TSO may have made a bad call about the relative abilities of the two players at the start of last season, but I think its clear that his views on Torres had become correctly less positive by the end of the season.
Because i have spent several years hoping it would not be Torres leading the line, but he always seems to be a big part in one way or another. There is also nothing clear about his views on Lukaku just yet.

It seems obvious to me that Lukaku would have to be the no.2 guy we would go to if we needed a goal with 20 mins to go. But its seemed obvious to me that Lukaku was better than Torres last year, but we still sent him on loan and brought in Eto.
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07-02-2014 , 10:06 AM
Not sure on TSO's views on Kraken, his views on Torres seem more clear and am pretty sure they evolved to a more correct line via watching Torres fail on the pitch on the regular. If we go with Costa/Torres/Baa we are only one kick away from disaster.
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07-02-2014 , 10:11 AM
Weren't there reports towards the end of last season that Chelsea were looking to sell Lukaku because Mourinho didn't rate him? I may be wrong but I thought for sure I read that somewhere.
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07-02-2014 , 10:15 AM
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Don't like either but good luck to him. Il happily be proved wrong but I think he's going to have a very difficult season.
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That's a slight contradiction. Not sure Lambert, Can or Lallana would get in Spurs' team. You can obviously argue for Lallana, but he basically plays in the same position as Eriksen and there is really no comparison between the two.
I think you guys are underrating Lallana, and I say that as someone who loves Eriksen and badly wanted us to go after him last Summer...

-I don't know what the fee was (the £25M figure floating around is reportedly high) but let's accept that it's higher than we'd like given his sell-on value. For me that's simply the premium you're gonna pay to buy a player who's proven himself in the league. Nuri Sahin and Iago Aspas are examples of what can happen when you acquire a non-elite player and introduce him to a new environment.

-One of our biggest leaks last season in my eyes was the failure of any of our midfielders to provide a clinical source of secondary scoring. Henderson's issues are well-documented, Allen missed a couple glorious sitters, and Coutinho was startlingly wasteful (his bullet winner versus City being the exception that proves the rule). Sterling came on in this department as the season wound down, but for the longest time our attack was SAS. Lallana showed very nice poise in front of goal for Southampton. Midfielders get opportunities in our setup, and we finally have a player capable of taking those chances.

-Unlike Moses and Aspas (you guys realize that Iago Aspas entered our most crucial game last season against Chelsea when we were in dire need of a goal, right?) Lallana is a proven presser. Regardless of who starts and who subs in, out tactics won't fall apart should we need to call on the bench this coming year.

-I also think he's capable of performing the Allen/Henderson role, making him more than simply surplus to requirements should we go on to add someone like Shaqiri, Markovic or Sanchez. Not to mention the possibility that Suarez is gone, or the reality that he is suspended for an important chunk of games. I especially think CM is a possibility as he ages, by which point Gerrard will be gone.

-Lastly......the guy is flat out good! I feel like when the rumors broke about Southampton turning down £20M everyone soured on the deal and the player. Pochettino said that if Lallana was Spanish or Brazilian he'd be seen completely differently, and i think he's right. If this deal was for £13M he'd be viewed completely differently too. Don't let the fee affect your view of the player. Lallana was straight ballin' last season for the Saints- harassing opponents, running at defenders, creating opportunities, baggin goals. With less defensive attention and better teammates I don't understand why LFC fans aren't unanimously excited to see what he does under Rodgers next year.

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07-02-2014 , 10:16 AM
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Weren't there reports towards the end of last season that Chelsea were looking to sell Lukaku because Mourinho didn't rate him? I may be wrong but I thought for sure I read that somewhere.

Nothing remotely credible. Though its perfectly feasible that Jose does not rate him because he has some big flaws.

Lukaku is not the be all and end all though. Its just that he is on the books and whilst we could sell and replace, we have other more pressing priorities imo.
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07-02-2014 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Dean Manifest

-One of our biggest leaks last season in my eyes was the failure of any of our midfielders to provide a clinical source of secondary scoring. Henderson's issues are well-documented, Allen missed a couple glorious sitters, and Coutinho was startlingly wasteful (his bullet winner versus City being the exception that proves the rule).

-Lastly......the guy is flat out good! I feel like when the rumors broke about Southampton turning down £20M everyone soured on the deal and the player. Pochettino said that if Lallana was Spanish or Brazilian he'd be seen completely differently, and i think he's right. If this deal was for £13M he'd be viewed completely differently too. Don't let the fee affect your view of the player. Lallana was straight ballin' last season for the Saints- harassing opponents, running at defenders, creating opportunities, baggin goals. With less defensive attention and better teammates I don't understand why LFC fans aren't unanimously excited to see what he does under Rodgers next year.
Just imagine how good Coutinho will be for us if he improves his finishing. One of his major weaknesses.

Apparently the deal for Lallana isn't quite as high as what is being reported. The club that was entitled to receive 25% of his transfer fee only got 4m. My guess is there are quite a few add ons that could bring the total to 25m.

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Nothing remotely credible. Though its perfectly feasible that Jose does not rate him because he has some big flaws.

Lukaku is not the be all and end all though. Its just that he is on the books and whilst we could sell and replace, we have other more pressing priorities imo.
As has been mentioned, he'd be a pretty good backup for Costa although it doesn't sound like he's at all interested in being a backup for anyone.
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07-02-2014 , 10:35 AM
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Because i have spent several years hoping it would not be Torres leading the line, but he always seems to be a big part in one way or another. There is also nothing clear about his views on Lukaku just yet.

It seems obvious to me that Lukaku would have to be the no.2 guy we would go to if we needed a goal with 20 mins to go. But its seemed obvious to me that Lukaku was better than Torres last year, but we still sent him on loan and brought in Eto.
Isn't this the worst use of Lukaku possible? Taking a player who plays best in space and putting him up against packed defenses (where he looks to struggle) trying to hold on to a draw or win against a side like Chelsea seems a really poor use of Lukaku's skill set.

Honestly think Jose is correct about Lukaku as a player for Chelsea the more I see of him.
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07-02-2014 , 10:41 AM
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Isn't this the worst use of Lukaku possible? Taking a player who plays best in space and putting him up against packed defenses (where he looks to struggle) trying to hold on to a draw or win against a side like Chelsea seems a really poor use of Lukaku's skill set.

Honestly think Jose is correct about Lukaku as a player for Chelsea the more I see of him.
It's not ideal of course. But he isn't gonna get to be the no.1 at least this season over Costa, and he is at least a strong powerful ariel threat that Hazard and co could play off of.
And if its a choice between that or nothing then i would take that. Lets not forget we will most likely play more than 50 games so there will be some chances for him to start some games as well.

There comes a point where you have got to give the kid a chance or not, and i think we should.
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07-02-2014 , 10:43 AM
Bournemouth have received 4 million from the 25% sell on clause they had on Lallana which obviously means Liverpool have only paid 16m upfront. I'm guessing there's another few million in various add-ons. The price doesn't seem so bad now.

Last edited by StormBorn; 07-02-2014 at 10:46 AM. Reason: never seen Liverpools post
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07-02-2014 , 10:48 AM
Coming back to Mandzukic/Arsenal. What's a realistic amount of money Arsenal fans want spent total for players?

I think Arsenal needs to upgrade at striker and 25 million is actually a good deal. Feel free to list (available) strikers in the same price range that would improve the team more.

Or is it more a matter of "need to spend elsewhere, Giroud is good enough, no striker upgrade at all"?
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07-02-2014 , 10:51 AM
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Ah ok fair enough. I think the argument most Pool fans have been (correctly) presenting is that it's better to get three £25m players, than seven £10m players, and i assumed that was what you were referring to in addition to the drawing out part.
You're right. We don't have the funds to go down the Chelsea/City route and just have two good-world class players for every position. We need a core of about 15-16 very good and, crucially, versatile players who know how to execute out current game plan. We need to play a high variance strategy next year if we want to win any silverware.

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Reports in Italy that #MUFC have made a €40m bid for Colombian star Juan Cuadrado.
Wow this seems awful spewy.

Agree with most of Dean's points about Lallana* and whilst I'm still a bit sceptical about the signing I can see why we made it. I would still much prefer Sanchez or Pedro, although may simply be because they're more glamorous.

*Don't think he's cut out for the Henderson role though.
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07-02-2014 , 11:16 AM
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Bournemouth have received 4 million from the 25% sell on clause they had on Lallana which obviously means Liverpool have only paid 16m upfront. I'm guessing there's another few million in various add-ons. The price doesn't seem so bad now.
Most deals are done over installments. 16m upfront is a pretty big #.

The rest of the fee or most of it can still be guaranteed. I'd imagine Bournemouth wouldn't get their cut of the rest until Southampton receives it.
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07-02-2014 , 11:21 AM
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I think you guys are underrating Lallana, and I say that as someone who loves Eriksen and badly wanted us to go after him last Summer....
Yeah that's a pretty reasonable and well presented argument
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07-02-2014 , 11:27 AM
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Most deals are done over installments. 16m upfront is a pretty big #.
Do you have anything to back this up? I understand that English clubs have typically done deals with larger amounts up front and less in installments.
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07-02-2014 , 12:02 PM
Rumours circulating that Barcelona instructed Suarez to bite Chiellini to reduce Liverpool's asking price, because they figured the lower transfer fee would more than offset that he won't be able to play for them in Aug-Oct (effectively).
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07-02-2014 , 12:04 PM
Those rumors are stupid and inevitable in equal parts
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07-02-2014 , 12:07 PM
the best rumour i've heard is that at some point between the xfer and the start of the new season, his ban from club football will be rescinded.

uefalona one time
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07-02-2014 , 12:11 PM
oh man, that would set the world on fire and make me take back everything i said

need this ffp rubbish sorted out for psg and monaco so they can buy messi, imagine the ballerness of buying the (past-it) goat, gotta be worth more than another bigass boat or another 1000 ferraris
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07-02-2014 , 12:22 PM
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Rumours circulating that Barcelona instructed Suarez to bite Chiellini to reduce Liverpool's asking price, because they figured the lower transfer fee would more than offset that he won't be able to play for them in Aug-Oct (effectively).
Sounds like classic rawk
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07-02-2014 , 12:58 PM
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Rumours circulating that Barcelona instructed Suarez to bite Chiellini to reduce Liverpool's asking price, because they figured the lower transfer fee would more than offset that he won't be able to play for them in Aug-Oct (effectively).
They forgot to add, "...and don't remind everyone how unplayable you are with a sick brace the game before."

If he was gonna bite someone to force Liverpool's hand it obviously should've been against England.
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07-02-2014 , 01:33 PM
Meh, "a shoulder of chiellini" sounds a lot better than "a shoulder of cahill".

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In other, but Barcelona related news:

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07-02-2014 , 01:59 PM
So a team banned from making transfers is going to buy a player banned from playing.
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07-02-2014 , 02:11 PM
they did that for fernando reges too, the club was man utd
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07-02-2014 , 02:27 PM
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West Ham were interested too.
Lol.

Kid been hyped to high heaven, not sure he can fulfil the hopes everyone has for him to be a superstar.

Seen him last season, very lightweight and got run off the ball quite easily.

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Craig Gordon getting signed to be 3rd keeper/goalkeeping coach. Lol @ posting like he is Forster's replacement.

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