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If the government shouldnt lay the ground rules for marriage then who should be in charge of that? The church? Some organization we don't have right now?

Up to the individual

In case of something like hospital visitation that's currently connected to marriage, just get something drawn up by a lawyer or sold by walmart

Sure, you can already do that instead of marriage. You can also then have the family file an injunction against you visiting until the court reviews that document. But in Thayertopia, that won't happen. Because society will respect the individualized contracts the way they currently respect marriage. Hospitals will change their policy to "has a signed socument" instead of "is married." They'll tell malicious family member, "look, it's (not)marriage, how can you challenge that"

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01-21-2017 , 01:33 AM

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RV Life

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Do they have more than $5.5M to give away? Because it doesn't even kick in until above that amount

Yes. Well above that amount. My uncle worked on Wall Street and retired by the time he was 55 or so. He retired in the late 80's, somewhere around there. I was a kid at the time.

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01-21-2017 , 01:35 AM

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disko,

You are an embarrassment to the human race. I understand why poor white people voted for Trump. For someone with your level of education to support him, while laughing at Clinton voters, is straight up American Psycho. You are a terrible person.

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01-21-2017 , 01:42 AM

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Yes. Well above that amount. My uncle worked on Wall Street and retired by the time he was 55 or so. He retired in the late 80's, somewhere around there. I was a kid at the time.

We sure you know the full story here?

Anyway they have $11+ million exemption between them, and there's many other ways to reduce estate taxes. They probably just voted for Trump for other reasons (or they're incompetent)

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01-21-2017 , 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by #Thinman

this guy is actually a worse public speaker then dubya. this is ****ing #sad!

btw lost in all the nonsense today was dubya getting the living **** beaten out of him by a poncho

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b096b4a231b3af

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01-21-2017 , 01:51 AM

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Chad,

I think it's pretty dumb that hospital visitation is decided by legally sanctioned marriage, and that in the future technology will be so far advanced and streamlined that the need for the state in the ways we have been used to will become unnecessary. Why do you think that is such a silly position?

Defense, courts and UBI imo

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01-21-2017 , 01:55 AM

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Thayer, you can currently get visitation without marriage. You literally can do what you advocate to be the only way.

It doesn't work so great.

It can be improved. Hell, it should. But there's this alleged harm from marriage working so well in this particular instance, that you never describe.

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01-21-2017 , 01:57 AM

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even if you show them your walmart paperwork?

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01-21-2017 , 02:00 AM

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THAY3R

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Where we're going we don't need paper

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01-21-2017 , 02:05 AM

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I think this is function creep more than anything else

Like the social security number was never intended to be used for identification purposes and earlier ss cards stated this explicitly but you won't get a loan or a driver's license or vote without one

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01-21-2017 , 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mullen

Yea they are loaded. Trust me. I've gotten 3 gifts of $10K each over the past 10 years (along with 39 other relatives. That's $1.2 million.) I grew up knowing my uncle was retired at an early age. I always thought he retired when he was 45 but the math didnt add up since I remember him retiring around the time I went into HS in 1990 and he's now 87 or 88. That's why I upped his retirement age to 55. It's somewhere in that age group. They both voted for Obama in 2008 but not in 2012.

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01-21-2017 , 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RV Life

Doesn't matter; we're all going to die within 4 years anyway.

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01-21-2017 , 02:10 AM

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oh wellz, 1.estate tax is still an incredibly selfish act

deal with it, Drumpf Jr

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01-21-2017 , 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Namath12

It's just a simple, hard-to-confuse way to determine when the family is being a dick for not letting someone visit. That's all.

Thayer says there should be other legal ways. There are, though. They don't work as well because by their nature they are individualized contracts.

Somehow this is an argument for scrapping marriage, and making things run ONLY on private, individualized contracts. Because this demonstrates that government marriage harms us, in some way that Thayer refuses to describe.

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01-21-2017 , 02:13 AM

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I was clear in that thread about disliking government's attempted role in social engineering.

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01-21-2017 , 02:16 AM

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I was clear in that thread about disliking government's attempted role in social engineering.

Ah, you can't observe something without affecting it.

Not sure you're ever going to get people to see that as a compelling reason to scrap government marriage, but I admire your gumption.

It's a tad too idealistic for me to just say government shouldn't exist in situations where it can't see every little nuance. And everyone I know calls me an impossible idealist!

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01-21-2017 , 02:19 AM

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It's more about how dumb it is that the government has/had the power to deny a marriage than about a compelling reason to scrap government marriage.

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01-21-2017 , 02:22 AM

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Government has had the power to decline government benefits to marriage.

It has never had the power to deny existence of marriage. There were gay marriages in the past and there are pluralistic marriages now. There are people, romantically involved and not romantically involved, who have contracts right now that grant them visitation rights and many other things.

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01-21-2017 , 02:26 AM

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THAY3R

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Yeah, I get that.

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01-21-2017 , 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyB66

According to 2+2 you are either voting for Hillary and Obama or a racist. There is no in between.

Hopefully when I release my new product on March 9th nobody thinks I am. At least not the people I'm selling to.

Gold-plated CardLock device? You'll be fine.

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01-21-2017 , 03:47 AM

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this is fine

and it should be fun when he lifts the sanctions blocking that oil deal in Russia worth $500B or whatever

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01-21-2017 , 04:29 AM

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Trump's speech was good but we'll see if trump's serious about returning gov't to the people. There's many swamp people in power that can make him look pretty bad and the narrative will be to blame trump for things that go wrong whether it's actually his fault or not and they'll utilize that to gain more power. Not that I'll be sad about it b/c I hate trump. (boy do I hate narcissists)

We're probably much better off if trump succeeds than fails because if he fails, we'll go back to the old terrible plan of republicans or democrats in charge again.