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02-29-2020 , 01:04 PM
Thinman who are you voting for in the primary?
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02-29-2020 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RT
A lot of Trump supporters are AIDS, Trump is also AIDS. A lot of Bernie supporters are AIDS, Bernie is good tho. Not sure why any of that really matters.

Political fandom is dumb. They're just people. Andrew Yang did a couple things I like but he was also dumb enough to be a cryptocurrency fan. No one is 100% right about everything. Allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good is a great way to get nothing done. Bernie is the best of a bunch of imperfect options, pick him.
but when someone has a belief that a national rent control policy (for example) would be a good thing, it tells me his underlying belief system is defective
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02-29-2020 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by #Thinman
not going too far down this rabbit hole with you because as I have said many times, I agree with the *direction* you guys want to go, but not the timing. now is not the time.
Cool story.

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We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Frankly, I have yet to engage in a direct action campaign that was "well timed" in the view of those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word "Wait!" It rings in the ear of every Negro with piercing familiarity. This "Wait" has almost always meant "Never." We must come to see, with one of our distinguished jurists, that "justice too long delayed is justice denied."
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02-29-2020 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
but when someone has a belief that a national rent control policy (for example) would be a good thing, it tells me his underlying belief system is defective
You're going to vote for Donald Trump.
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02-29-2020 , 01:35 PM
I'm sure most people didn't watch Trump's press conference the other day so here's the 31 wildest things Trump said according to CNN. Also, there's another press conference today in 55 minutes.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/27/polit...nce/index.html

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1. "We have, through some very good early decisions, decisions that were ridiculed at the beginning, we closed up our borders to flights coming in from certain areas, areas that were hit by the coronavirus and hit pretty hard."

The key thing about the coronavirus -- and what Americans need to know and do about it -- is apparently that Trump was right about it from the start, even though some people ridiculed him. And away we go!
2. "A lot of people thought we shouldn't have done it that early, and we did, and it turned out to be a very good thing."
Again: Trump wants you to know he was right. Others were wrong. This is very important.
3. "Because of all we've done, the risk to the American people remains very low."
Quantifying what "very low" means from a risk perspective is tough. But it is worth noting that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said earlier this week that the spread of coronavirus in the US is inevitable.
4. "We are ready to adapt and we are ready to do whatever we have to as the disease spreads, if it spreads."
"We expect we will see community spread in this country. It's not so much a question of if this will happen anymore, but rather more a question of exactly when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness." -- Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.
5. "We started out by looking at certain things and we've been working with the Hill very, very carefully, very strongly."
"Looking at certain things," you say? Verrrry intriguing. (Nota bene: Trump is almost certainly working from a prepared statement here.)
6. "And I think we have very good bipartisan spirit for money."
"Bipartisan Spirit for Money" is going to be the title of my memoir.
7. "And again, we've had tremendous success -- tremendous success beyond what people would have thought."
The presumption here is that people had thoughts about how the US would deal with coronavirus. And that we have far exceeded those expectations. Which is weird.
8. "One instance where we think we can be -- it's somewhat reliable, it seems to have gotten quite a bit smaller."
In which the President of the United States suggests the outbreak in China is slowing -- citing a "somewhat reliable" source. Good times!
9. "The vaccine is coming along well. And in speaking to the doctors, we think this is something that we can develop fairly rapidly, a vaccine for the future and coordinate with the support of our partners."
"At the earliest an efficacy trial would take an additional six to eight months. So although this is the fastest we have ever gone from a sequence of a virus to a trial, it still would not be any applicable to the epidemic unless we really wait about a year to a year and a half." -- Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at NIH, shortly after Trump made his claim.
10. "But we're very, very ready for this, for anything whether it's going to be a breakout of larger proportions or whether or not we're -- you know we're at that very low level."
[nods head very slowly]
11. "The -- John's Hopkins I guess is a highly respected great place. They did a -- a -- a study, comprehensive. The countries best and worst prepared for an epidemic. And the United States is now -- we're rated number one."
Boom! We're No. 1! We're No. 1!
12. "He's very good and I think -- and he's really very expert at the field."
What infectious disease specialist is the President referring to here? Vice President Mike Pence! Who is not an "expert" in the field!
13. "Well, I don't think it's inevitable. It probably will. It possibly will. It could be at a very small level or it could be at a larger level."
The CDC says the spread of coronavirus in the United States is inevitable. Donald Trump says it isn't. Which do you believe?
14. "I'm the President of the United States. I'm not a President of other countries."
Fact check: True!
15. "I'll be going to meetings quite a bit depending on what they want to do and what message we want to get out."
Uh huh.
16. "But we've done really an extraordinary job, when you look at a country this size with so many people pouring in, we're the number one in the world for the people coming into a country by far."
Again, Trump wants the big takeaway here to be that he is doing an amazing job -- whether or not coronavirus spreads widely in the US.
17. "I think they look at the people that you watched debating last night, and they say, if there's even a possibility that can happen, I think it really takes a hit because of that."
In which the President says that the reason the stock market is tumbling isn't just fears of the coronavirus' impact on the economy (it is) but rather because people didn't like what they saw in the Democratic debate on Tuesday night. Cool story bro!
18. "So you know, my attitude, if Congress wants to give us the money so easy -- it wasn't very easy for the wall, but we got that one done."
So, just to be clear, Trump declared a national emergency at the border in order to seize money already allocated for other uses so that he could begin construction of the southern border wall.
19. "And again, when you have 15 and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."
One wonders whether Trump has injured himself with such aggressive back-patting.
20. "I'm leading everybody, we're doing great."
Yeah, this all checks out. Doing great!
21. "She's trying to create a panic and there's no reason to panic because we have done so good."
Just the President accusing Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi of trying to create a panic. Also worth noting: Trump thinks his administration has "done so good" on dealing with the coronavirus.
22. "When I mentioned the flu, I said -- actually, I asked the various doctors, I said, is this just like flu? Because people die from the flu. And this is very unusual."
OK, so Trump has now learned that coronavirus is not the flu. So, that's something?
23. "But we have it so well under control. I mean, we really have done a very good job."
Yes, I think you may have mentioned that.
24. "I think the financial markets are very upset when they look at the Democrat candidates standing on that stage making fools out of themselves."
Trump, again tries to tie the stock market drop to the Democratic debate. There is, of course, zero evidence to back up this claim.
25. "It's a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for. And we'll essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner."
[narrator voice] We won't.
26. "When somebody sneezes -- I mean, I try and bail out as much as possible when there's sneezing."
Honestly, same.
27. "Ebola, you disintegrated, especially at the beginning."
This is, um, not a medical definition of the effects of Ebola -- just in case you were wondering.
28. "This is a flu. This is like a flu and this is a much different situation than Ebola."
But you just said this isn't the flu? Right?
29. "It'd be very easy for me to say, you know -- it doesn't matter what I say really."
So, well, yeah.
30. "There's a chance that it won't spread, too, and there's a chance that it will."
So you're saying there's a chance ...

31. "So far we've done a great job."
This feels like a good place to end.
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02-29-2020 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by domer2
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/u...rap-house.html

Definitely NOTHING like Trump supporters at all.
About what percentage of the US population would you say is definitely neither an idiot nor an *******, and how does that compare to the percentage of people necessary to win elections?
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02-29-2020 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RT
A lot of Trump supporters are AIDS, Trump is also AIDS. A lot of Bernie supporters are AIDS, Bernie is good tho. Not sure why any of that really matters.

Political fandom is dumb. They're just people. Andrew Yang did a couple things I like but he was also dumb enough to be a cryptocurrency fan. No one is 100% right about everything. Allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good is a great way to get nothing done. Bernie is the best of a bunch of imperfect options, pick him.
Trump supporters have been cheering on a soft genocide at the border. But, tens of millions of people shouldn't get healthcare because a comedy podcast that supports Bernie said mean things. Domer is totally arguing in good faith guys!

What's the worst thing we've seen at a Bernie rally? The cussing of Mike D or Julian Casablancas? Trump rallies are full of Qanon people and those who want Democrats jailed.
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02-29-2020 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Cool story.
more comparing civil rights...actual people being beaten and killed and discriminated against daily....to "gimme free health care"

what a ****ing slap in the face to the people who went through what they did.

you are a disgusting joke. all done with you
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02-29-2020 , 02:05 PM
Thinman would be yelling at black people for wanting to share water fountains

You already have your own quit complaining!
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02-29-2020 , 02:06 PM
sure thing...keep making yourselves look like fools for the bern
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02-29-2020 , 02:11 PM
I mean Thinman is just going full Get Out, but feigning outrage at comparing “people being killed and discriminated against” to “people getting killed and discriminated against” sure is some cognitive dissonance
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02-29-2020 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jake7777
I mean Thinman is just going full Get Out, but feigning outrage at comparing “people being killed and discriminated against” to “people getting killed and discriminated against” sure is some cognitive dissonance
Wait until he finds out that a lack of affordable healthcare disproportionately affects POC.
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02-29-2020 , 02:20 PM
yeah this is all why you guys lose to trump. if you cant see why comparing the civil rights movement to m4a is bat **** insane, then you are bat **** insane.
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02-29-2020 , 02:23 PM
The back of the bus is the best part what more do you want? - Thinman
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02-29-2020 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Palo
Russian trolls are pouring gasoline on this to blow things up.

Don't fall for it or add to the hate.
Russia ain't doing ****
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02-29-2020 , 02:27 PM
Thinman, healthcare is thought of as a right in literally every other western nation. It's been this way for decades
That you think those born with tough conditions either medically or just in poverty should be resigned to rationing healthcare or dying is appalling.

You're a bad person. If you think that "you shouldn't have to worry about going bankrupt, losing your job or dying because of the price of healthcare" is a losing message your brain is just broken.
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02-29-2020 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by tabbaker
The back of the bus is the best part what more do you want? - Thinman
Your husband will vote for your interests- thinman
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02-29-2020 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by #Thinman
yeah this is all why you guys lose to trump. if you cant see why comparing the civil rights movement to m4a is bat **** insane, then you are bat **** insane.


I mean literally no one even did that except you. Wookie posted a quote from letter from a Birmingham Jail, where MLK, in the context of the civil rights movement, made a general observation about status quo vanguard white liberals and the impediment they pose to real progress by promoting cowardice.

Nowhere in there does he say or imply “by the way, this only applies to justice for black people during this specific movement.” But that’s the hole you put him in, because in your mind he’s not actually a relevant thinker, he’s just the token black guy who fought against the evil hillbillies to be used at your convenience.

You are literally a caricature of what he’s talking about and you have the audacity to try to use him to run away. As if anyone here is under the delusion that you are the guy most in tune with civil rights.

ETA - don’t you mean “this is why WE lose to Trump?” Telling on yourself again
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02-29-2020 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Thinman, healthcare is thought of as a right in literally every other western nation. It's been this way for decades
That you think those born with tough conditions either medically or just in poverty should be resigned to rationing healthcare or dying is appalling.

You're a bad person. If you think that "you shouldn't have to worry about going bankrupt, losing your job or dying because of the price of healthcare" is a losing message your brain is just broken.
anyone can walk into an emergency room or clinic.



here is a clue for you dumb ****s and then i am going to breakfast. people move from being poor to not poor. black people are black forever.

think about it before you go minimizing the struggles people of color went through and continue to go through in this country (you piece of **** mother ****ers).



the healthcare system sucks donkey balls, but your comparisons are sick.

buh bye
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02-29-2020 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by #Thinman
more comparing civil rights...actual people being beaten and killed and discriminated against daily....to "gimme free health care"

what a ****ing slap in the face to the people who went through what they did.

you are a disgusting joke. all done with you
I mean ppl die from lack of health care daily. And have markedly worse quality of life. And get stripped of all their wealth and that of their kin.

And you know who suffers and dies and bankrupts the most? Minorities.

So ya I would say health care is pretty damn important for equality.
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02-29-2020 , 02:37 PM
Ah yes, "anyone can go broke seeking medical care" is definitely helpful. Do they also get free insulin any time they want at an ER? An ER is not "affordable." It is the most expensive option in *any* Western nation. A major point of affordable healthcare is to cut down on ER use.

Yes, upward mobility happens in Western nations. It very, very rarely happens for poor and sick people in the USA. Try going from poor with diabetes or cancer to middle or upper class in the USA. Good luck!

Last edited by aoFrantic; 02-29-2020 at 02:42 PM.
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02-29-2020 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Wait until he finds out that a lack of affordable healthcare disproportionately affects POC.
he knows, he just doesn't care.
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02-29-2020 , 03:04 PM
Trump just said "no reason to panic. At all"

Now is the time to panic.

Nevermind. Pence just said those who are sick can be assured they're receiving the prayers of millions. Crisis averted.
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02-29-2020 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
“I’m going to vote for Trump because the other guy is bad because he’s similar to trump”

- Well meaning, good faith people
i'd never vote for either of those two clowns in a million years
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02-29-2020 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by #Thinman
yeah this is all why you guys lose to trump. if you cant see why comparing the civil rights movement to m4a is bat **** insane, then you are bat **** insane.


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