haha true.

Yeah, could do without the repeated closeups of Jordan's mangled non-hand. We get it already. I don't recall nearly as much focus on it during his RW season which I inexplicably watched.

While she's a terrible person, the level of drama Nia would bring to the CHALLENGE would probably be outstanding

The drama would be off the charts (someone may get killed or seriously injured, including her), but I hate her deliberate button pushing and bullying too much to let her have the stage she so obviously craves. She's either a sociopath or just a really ****ed up individual. Most of these people are at least somewhat likable / tolerable and are usually their own worst enemy.

~24 Hours from potential GOAT episode I figure I might as well put together "TJ's List of people he doesn't feel."

	List of People TJ Doesn't feel:
Jo	Quits, maybe that's not enough. Goes ****ing psycho, calls the Trinidad and Tobago police that she is getting raped or something, completely loses her mind. Too bad, that kind of psycho could be good.	Gauntlet 2
Cameran	Quits. Potential for WOAT. Gets elimnated 2nd in this due to LolJo. Gets elimnated in the weakest field ever in Battle of the sexes 2, second. Thank you for never wasting our time again	Gauntlet 2
Jisela	doesn't try. Might as well have just quit. 3rd straight, lol woman moment in the season and TJGOAT goes hard. It's not Dave Mirra anymore, you're gonna get ****.	Gauntlet 2
Women	Due to lol women "Anyone else want to quit? Leave now, don't waste my time." LOLWomen	Gauntlet 2
Beth	Wants to quit	Gauntlet 2
Beth	Maybe Beth can be back on it - wins 2 jungles	Gauntlet 2
Beth	Nah Beth is definitely on the list - quits and receives the full wrath of TJ. TJ went GOAT in Gauntlet 2	Gauntlet 2
Beth	Yeah Beth, lol ripping the flag, 4 time member, that's elite in itself	The Duel
CT	Lol ripping the flag	The Duel
CT	punching gay guy	Inferno 3
Ace/Alton/Timmy	Refuses to wear Speedos	Inferno 3
Alex	"Why'd you come to Mexico? quesadillas and stuff?"	Gauntlet 3
Tori	Quits versus Melinda, BRADGOAT for sure didn't like this	Gauntlet 3
Coral	Quits because fear of EVGOAT, actually not a bad call but seriously, don't just walk out without saying anything	Gauntlet 3
Dave	Drunk/Bitch/Quit, Not everyone can handle Johnny Bannanas GOAT season	The Island
Ashli	****ing dumb foot bitch, volunteer? Seriously? Get the **** out. TJGOAT moment	The Island
CT	Fighting for Diem's "honor", It's lame dude. And you do know that a GOAT was already with that before you hit it. And dude, TJ wasn't around for GOAT CJ in Inferno and Inferno 2. DQ vs Brad and 2 fights during TJ's era. Not a good look bro.	Duel 2
Adam	Getting bitched on by CT, LOL dude you were on his season, what are you thinking?	Duel 2
EVGOAT	Only a little bit, I'd probably let Kelly Anne win too...but **** Johnny Bannanas, so good for you.	The Ruins
Tonya	Somehow doesn't make the list til now, Slappin a bitch. Walla Walla Washington...not worth fighting over, GG Tonya's Challenge career, it took over a decade but they finally got rid of her!!	The Ruins
Johanna	Happy to leave. Also, you go down for dumbest vote in history on Fresh Meat sending your boyfriend into Exile. Why do you put us through watching you?	The Ruins
Brad	Getting sloppy drunk and calling out Darrell, got his face smashed in.	The Ruins
Darrell	Took Brad's Right Eye. It was his trophy.	The Ruins
Katelynn	For being bad. I mean...****ing awful. Though you did give us the "make it to the top but then fall down and hit everything going down" moment, so thank you.	Fresh Meat II
Brandon	Morning Beers. "Breakfast of Champions." An Unfair TJ moment but maybe that's what made him a beast for Cutthroat.	Fresh Meat II
EVGOAT AFTER CARRYING LUKE FOR 3 EXILES	Our first, "Not feeling you" moment. "As of right now, I just, I ain't feeling the way she's acting towards you. It's whack to be honest wit'you."	Fresh Meat II, he never saw a 4-year old on this show before
*TJ Lavin	Dude you called out the GOAT? And she already won 2 Exiles carrying his backpack and more weight and crushing puzzles? Luke SUCKED dude, WTF? Disappointed in the TJ for this one. Just a bad call	Fresh Meat II
Shauvon	Just overall badness and refusing to jump because of previous "implant problems."	Cutthroat
Shauvon	Wants respect for quitting, refuses the Gulog. LOL, peace bitch. "I heard enough" "You gained losing someone."	Cutthroat
Ty	Crushing Brandon, then falls over the side. "Knocked out by Muhammad Ali/Shot in the face with a shotgun." LOL, you suck dude, peace. Get carried by Emily some more.	Cutthroat
Red Team	"For the guys, to me this is the worst decision I've seen so far this challenge. I really don't understand you guys throwing in your best player over and over and over again. And he keeps proving himself time and time again. I think its time for a change, but its not up to me, its up to you guys. But Brandon, you're going against Derrick(GOAT)."	Cutthroat
Adam(R)	Dude sucked on Las Vegas. Let Ty's dumbass get under his skin and threw the weakest punch to get kicked off(Tina finally gets ousted). Also slammed Mandi, which was semi-hilarious. What the **** did Nany see in him?	Rivals
Vinny	Yo I know Mandi is a better looking girl than you'll ever get and you wanted to see her naked. I also know she was basically wearing nothing. But dude, for real? Poor Sarah. Christ Vinny, near WOAT.	Battle of the Exes
Diem	"Dumbest move in the history of the challenge. It's clear Mark and Johnny are the alliance." Putting in Paula and Dunbar.	Battle of the Exes
*Paula	I don't know how you managed to not make the list but seriously "I don't care if I'm 85 years old, I'm coming with my dentures and my walker and I'm going to kill it." **** NO BITCH. GO AWAY.	Battle of the Exes
Big Easy	LOL, for many reasons. There's a laundry list, so we'll just go with...dude is legit WOAT. "Dies" on Gauntlet 3 then is seen drinking later that night. LOL. Seems like a nice guy though, I guess there's that.	Gauntlet 3/Battle of the Seasons/Every Challenge ever
Trishelle	Seriously just get the **** off. Please don't pull a Tonya, that's it, its over, no more. Please, no more. "I'm not feeling Trishelle. She's on my list."	Rivals 2

*Needle Additions

excellent

I guess I should have added Tina for punching Beth in the Duel. Mostly for it being an incredible weak punch.

Wish we could have had MIZGOAT and THEOGOAT during the TJ era. Also I didn't realize JAMIE only did one season. Could have had a long solid CHALLENGE career.

Why you come to Mexico was GOAT

Beth legit WOAT

TJ brought his hardest during the Gauntlet seasons for sure. I still say Gauntlet 2 is TJ's easy GOAT season. Him going hard in Cutthroat towards the Red team was good.

I think I rank TJ's seasons as:

Gauntlet 2 > Gauntlet 3 > The Island > Cutthroat. Rivals 2 is coming close to making top 5.

Like a WOAT list of players that somehow make it back over and over is:

1. caseywoat
2. katiewoat
3. tonyawoat
4. bethwoat

Beth could backup her *******ness occasionally. Her and Nehemiah might be the weirdest hookup in CHALLENGE history. Big Easy and Devyn 2nd weirdest.

Like if Beth competed she could be at SUSIEGOAT, EVGOAT, EMGOAT, Laurel, Rachel, Coral levels of elite. Instead she is ****ty. Though she would probably die in a final. But the early-mid finals that she was on weren't as brutal as they become. Gauntlet 2 had the WOAT final easy.

With that said, Beth doesn't even make it on a list of true WOAT women. There are some brutally bad chicks. Carmen is very well the worst player in the history of the challenge.

HAPPY CHALLENGING. GUYS ELIMINATION DAY.

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would be incredible if it can reach the quality of last guys day. worst case is knight/preston aids the day then get crushed.

i want to see frank/johnny get the auto ticket and then the girls vote in ct/wes, resounding win for ct. he needs to get more involved

This. That list is excellent. I disagree with a couple of the inclusions (Darrell/both Evs) but that's about it. Well done. Well done indeed.

And let us CHALLENGE!

Yeah Darrell was just posted on the bed an brad was being a drunken dolt. Totally ruined it for him too because he was on a fast track to another final

ev throwing vs kelly-anne was ridiculous but so was the decision to put them against each other in the first place so i get her rage. big team challenges are just stupid though, seriously who thought champions vs challengers would be even

Pretty much all of this. I tend to be of the belief that quitting because you're weak/scared/tired/whatever is a pretty bitch move, but both of EVGOAT's quits were giant FUs to other people in the game. TJ might not be feeling those, but they probably fall at the bottom of his list.

And yeah, that was probably the second-most unfair setup to a challenge (the original Battle of the Sexes was basically impossible for the women to win, although I think that challenge is super underrated as a whole).

the strategy for big team is 1) eliminate their strong players and 2) eliminate your weak players in setting up for the final

you have to do 2 first though because if the other team doesnt have any strong players left then theres a chance your weak players win their elimination. now overall it didnt matter because champions >>> challengers, but they put themselves in a situation where either a) evelyn wins and the challengers lose their best female who could have taken out the weak champion girls or b) evelyn gets pissed, you lose the only female in the house who actually adds value in a final on a team with champion guys plus your assassin to take out their strong females at late game.

any way i think we all agree big team is dumb and ends up with teams trying to lose their own members at the end. my favorite format is guy-girl pairs where everyone is up for elimination every episode.

IMO best format would be:

Guy/Girl teams of 2
Everybody up for elimination every week
Losers automatically go into the Jungle
Secret vote to determine their opponent
Winners of the daily challenge immune from elimination, plus they can save one of the two teams and put in someone else of their choosing

winners having immunity and being able to choose a different team is too OP

EVGOAT is a top 5 all time favorite player of mine. (DERRICKGOAT easily #1 CHALLENGER and my favorite CHALLENGER ever followed by ABRAMGOAT who is mega elite but incredibly entertaining, with MIZGOAT, and Wes rounding out my top 5). The KellyAnne throw is obviously controversial. But the second EVGOAT mention on the list TJ specifically says "I'm not feeling the way she's acting." There is just no way around it.

I also didn't include Abram's....um...decision on the Island. But he had already won a key, clearly something was wrong with his work, and threw himself in twice. In all honesty the only reason to add Abram to the list would be because he gave his key to loldunbar.