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01-06-2016 , 06:02 PM
The scoring is definitely messed up but not sure how we can fix it.

Those of us with only 1 team left would greatly benefit from a revision and that just isn't really fair either.
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01-06-2016 , 06:17 PM
ya looks like I got -20 for larissa/carmilla losing the dome when it was only -10 the first 2 weeks

And we are allowing those with multiple teams to rape the current challenge set up which wasn't what was intended at all. If anything the winning side should be getting 1/8 of the points or whatever. Divide the number on the winning side by the points intended for winning a challenge.
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01-06-2016 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I googled mtv challenge betting or something like that and came up with the following. Again, I don't care if we just do winner take all with whoever wins the final or use this scoring and do winner take all (most points in this format) or winner and runner-up paid out.

The point system is:

First place in challenge= 25 Points
Last place in challenge= -5 Points
Winning a Dome= 10 Points
Losing a Dome= -10 Points
Surviving an episode= 5 Points
Leave the show for anything other than losing a Dome. This includes giving up in the finals= -25 Points
First place in finals= 100 Points
2nd Place in finals= 50 Points (Must cross finish line)
3rd Place in finals= 15 Points (Must cross finish line)

http://www.theclemreport.com/your-fa...of-the-exes-2/

EDIT: this is probably too much work to ask someone to do.
here is the scoring

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
team getting replaced will lose the 25 points for leaving via something other than a dome. I propose that if teams reshuffle or something and partners are different then everyone gets half points for every team they have 1 of the 2 partners in or 1/3 if its 3 person teams etc.
and my proposed amendment for splits that had a few people accept and no one I saw oppose
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01-06-2016 , 06:21 PM
see my edit above
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01-06-2016 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I googled mtv challenge betting or something like that and came up with the following. Again, I don't care if we just do winner take all with whoever wins the final or use this scoring and do winner take all (most points in this format) or winner and runner-up paid out.

The point system is:

First place in challenge= 25 Points
Last place in challenge= -5 Points
Winning a Dome= 10 Points
Losing a Dome= -10 Points
Surviving an episode= 5 Points
Leave the show for anything other than losing a Dome. This includes giving up in the finals= -25 Points
First place in finals= 100 Points
2nd Place in finals= 50 Points (Must cross finish line)
3rd Place in finals= 15 Points (Must cross finish line)

http://www.theclemreport.com/your-fa...of-the-exes-2/

EDIT: this is probably too much work to ask someone to do.
CDL is right.

The original scoring is per team. When the players are divided into individuals, they each are able to get half the points, for the same overall total # of available points.

Each team member would get 12.5 for winning a challenge, -2.5 for losing a challenge, 2.5 points for surviving an episode, 5 for winning a dome, -5 for losing a dome, -12.5 for leaving not in a dome.

This does have the effect of 10 free points per surviving team per week because winning is a given now, but that can't really be helped.

Basically, every week a non-dome team should get 15 total points, a dome winner should get 25 total points, and a dome loser should get 0 points.
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01-06-2016 , 06:25 PM
Ya that won't do anything other than cutting everything in half. It's not going to make it easier for teams with only 1 team left to comeback.

Unless I am still misunderstanding.

Yoy are basically saying survival per player is worth 2.5, winning challenges per player is worth 12.5, etc.
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01-06-2016 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JMurder3
CDL is right.

The original scoring is per team. When the players are divided into individuals, they each are able to get half the points, for the same overall total # of available points.

Each team member would get 12.5 for winning a challenge, -2.5 for losing a challenge, 2.5 points for surviving an episode, 5 for winning a dome, -5 for losing a dome, -12.5 for leaving not in a dome.

This does have the effect of 10 free points per surviving team per week because winning is so easy now, but that can't really be helped.

Basically, every week a non-dome team should get 15 total points, a dome winner should get 25 total points, and a dome loser should get 0 points.
It can be helped. If 8 people are on the winning side, the formula should/could be 1/8 of 25 points.

And the dome scoring should be the same as the dome has been the same since the beginning. One team member competes, both win or leave.
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01-06-2016 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CCuster_911
Ya that won't do anything other than cutting everything in half. It's not going to make it easier for teams with only 1 team left to comeback.

Unless I am still misunderstanding.

Yoy are basically saying survival per player is worth 2.5, winning challenges per player is worth 12.5, etc.
If a team gets 15 free points per week for existing, it keeps things a bit closer than if they got 30 free points per week for existing.

The change in format still provides much larger incentives for surviving than the original did, but that part can't really be helped.

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Originally Posted by Caldarooni
It can be helped. If 8 people are on the winning side, the formula should/could be 1/8 of 25 points.

And the dome scoring should be the same as the dome has been the same since the beginning. One team member competes, both win or leave.
Ah, genius. That makes even more sense.
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01-06-2016 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JMurder3
CDL is right.

The original scoring is per team. When the players are divided into individuals, they each are able to get half the points, for the same overall total # of available points.

Each team member would get 12.5 for winning a challenge, -2.5 for losing a challenge, 2.5 points for surviving an episode, 5 for winning a dome, -5 for losing a dome, -12.5 for leaving not in a dome.

This does have the effect of 10 free points per surviving team per week because winning is a given now, but that can't really be helped.

Basically, every week a non-dome team should get 15 total points, a dome winner should get 25 total points, and a dome loser should get 0 points.
actually, I think it would be 25/team size for winning a challenge and -5/team size for losing a challenge. This way each team gains a small fraction each week. I think we have 10 people on each team now so this week's episode would be 25/10 for the winners and -5/10 for the losers which means every team left gains 2 points this episode (per team not individual).

Then the dome winner should still get 10 and loser loses 10. Since the bloodline leaves too it doesn't really matter if you assign 5/person or 10/team right now as long as we aren't doing a double count of 10/person for 20/team. Surviving an episode should also be 5/team and not 5/person. Finals would be 50 points, 25 points, and 7.5 points for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd if the teams are teams of two people not from the same bloodline though it looks like we are likely to see a final 3 with bloodlines pairing back up if I was to guess the narrative.
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01-06-2016 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JMurder3
If a team gets 15 free points per week for existing, it keeps things a bit closer than if they got 30 free points per week for existing.

The change in format still provides much larger incentives for surviving than the original did, but that part can't really be helped.



Ah, genius. That makes even more sense.
Everything is halved though. So going forward it will still require the same performance to come back.

Trust me. It doesn't matter.

But if anyone wants to change it om me your email and I'll give you editing rights.
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01-06-2016 , 06:32 PM
Being down 20 currently or 10 with halved points is the exact same thing.
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01-06-2016 , 06:33 PM
Oh wait you want the entire team to split 25 and the entire team to split -5?
Lol that will change thing. Congrats to the team with cara on the free win.
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01-06-2016 , 06:34 PM
Good thing I was in this pool to make sure to cover all our bases. Figured out that loophole in the scoring before the season even started and anticipated a breakdown of the scoring system while also providing a dynamic fix. I'm like the TEEJ of this pool.

Good work everyone. I'm sorry to say...CCuster, you came in last in this challenge so we will see you in the PIT tonight. Everyone else, take the rest of the day to deliberate on who CCuster will see in the PIT.
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01-06-2016 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CCuster_911
Being down 20 currently or 10 with halved points is the exact same thing.
If you had the team that left in week one you lost 15 points to those that survived.

In week 4, you lost 80 points.

lol i think
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01-06-2016 , 06:37 PM
So let me get this right. At the end of ep 1 there were 26 people I think. They all split the 5 survival points? So each one is get like .4 or some ****?

Lol ok


If not its absolutely insane to think the challenge points should be split, and the survival points not be split.
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01-06-2016 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
actually, I think it would be 25/team size for winning a challenge and -5/team size for losing a challenge. This way each team gains a small fraction each week. I think we have 10 people on each team now so this week's episode would be 25/10 for the winners and -5/10 for the losers which means every team left gains 2 points this episode (per team not individual).

Then the dome winner should still get 10 and loser loses 10. Since the bloodline leaves too it doesn't really matter if you assign 5/person or 10/team right now as long as we aren't doing a double count of 10/person for 20/team. Surviving an episode should also be 5/team and not 5/person. Finals would be 50 points, 25 points, and 7.5 points for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd if the teams are teams of two people not from the same bloodline though it looks like we are likely to see a final 3 with bloodlines pairing back up if I was to guess the narrative.
Yeah, I was just viewing it as half points (total divided by # of members of the 2 person team), but reading what you originally wrote it's clear you were referring to the # of people on the recombined team. Makes more sense that way, too.

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Originally Posted by CCuster_911
So let me get this right. At the end of ep 1 there were 26 people I think. They all split the 5 survival points? So each one is get like .4 or some ****?

Lol ok


If not its absolutely insane to think the challenge points should be split, and the survival points not be split.
No. A 2-person team that survives gets 5 total points, not 10. They don't get a fraction. Only the wins & losses are divided by the total # of people involved. If my understanding is correct.
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01-06-2016 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CCuster_911
So let me get this right. At the end of ep 1 there were 26 people I think. They all split the 5 survival points? So each one is get like .4 or some ****?

Lol ok


If not its absolutely insane to think the challenge points should be split, and the survival points not be split.
Well this isn't what I am saying. We wanted to award the 25 points to the team that won the episode's challenge. The format changed and our teams were split into a bigger team. My suggestion was to give each winning member their portion of the 25 points so we are not double counting. I.E. a maximum of 25 points could be won each episode for winning a challenge and not 300 or so as currently being counted.

The 5 points for surviving should remain unchanged as the split hasn't changed anything. Teams either survive or they don't, regardless of where they compete during the challenges.
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01-06-2016 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CCuster_911
So let me get this right. At the end of ep 1 there were 26 people I think. They all split the 5 survival points? So each one is get like .4 or some ****?

Lol ok


If not its absolutely insane to think the challenge points should be split, and the survival points not be split.
no, each team that survives an episode gets 5 survival points as a team. Each team that wins a challenge gets 25 points as a team. However, now teams that win a challenge are either red or blue teams and not a single bloodline. If it was a bloodline that team would get 25 points and not share them with any other teams. However, since these teams consist of many bloodlines they shouldn't all get 25 points. Thus, we came up with the solution of splitting those 25 points however many ways is needed. Every team that is eliminated means that the next challenge will award more points for those left on the winning team. If we reshuffled to mixed teams of 2 then each winner would get 12.5 points for winning. If bloodlines were on the same team again that means you get both shares of 12.5.
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01-06-2016 , 06:48 PM
CDL and I seem to be saying the same thing. Nice.
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01-06-2016 , 06:57 PM
My only contributions to our challenge was posting a ****ty/confusing scoring system and being eliminated before the season really got going. I feel like someone from 'are you the one' that made it to the challenge - I don't really deserve to be here, but I really enjoyed the short ride.
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01-06-2016 , 07:13 PM
Ok that might be the ****tiest scoring system known to man. But I am not in it so go for it. Someone PM me(I am not going to implement it, as it would require an entire re working of the sheet) and ill let you implement it.

This should be hilarious.

Congrats onlydo2. If cara makes finals you will win easily I imagine. Sven with second best equity because brianna and jenna running domes.
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01-06-2016 , 07:25 PM
I don't get why its bad.
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01-06-2016 , 07:31 PM
It isn't necessarily bad, but it does change the scoring in the middle of the game. Yeah it is probably more fair, but it kinda sucks for people with 2 teams left and helps someone like me with 1 team left.
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01-06-2016 , 07:33 PM
Lol at changing the scoring system mid season. The producers got you good, roll with it
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01-06-2016 , 07:35 PM
I don't think we are changing anything. The game changed and we are adapting our scoring to the changes.
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