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12-23-2014 , 09:01 PM
let's start looking at the round 2 matches, but first, my outright positions:

gilding - lol
king - LOOOOOOOOOOL
jenkins - has shortened somewhat, as to be expected after pipe went down, but the play here is to hope he beats mvg, so keep it riding
wright - down to 35's. had a very good first round game and see no reason to cash out yet
lewis - dominated, down to 9's despite there being still a ton of chalk in his sector.

ROUND TWO DAY ONE MATCHES

 Robert ThorntonRonnie Baxter
Odds4-1114-5
64 ranking1226
Previous round3-0 vs Gilding3-1 vs Gurney

Thornton had arguably the hardest draw in the first round against Andrew Gilding, and he handled it really quite easily - Gilding had some shots at double in the first few legs but couldn't finish them. A good quality and testing game should set Thornton up nicely and give him a ton of confidence, showing good power scoring and 50% on doubles.

Baxter was tested in places, but Gurney's inconsistency from the preliminary game showed up in the first round as well, looking good in places but not being able to do it when it mattered, breaking to give himself chances to win sets but not finishing. Ronnie didn't look that convincing himself, but did enough to get over the line.

Thornton had the better performance, has the better seeding, and is the better player. We're now up to the best of 4 sets and it's not quite as short a format as previously, which will favour Robert. Props to both players for getting through what could be a potential banana skin, but I think that even if Ronnie plays his A game, he can't sustain it for long enough, and it's not that much better than Robert's B game, or even C game. Can't see him losing this one

2u Thornton 4/11

 Terry JenkinsLaurence Ryder
Odds1-59-2
64 ranking1162
Previous round3-1 vs Weber3-2 vs Pipe

I was expecting a hugely close matchup between a classic in-form fan favourite, and a methodical but quality opponent, but LOL Pipe, and it's the second Aussie opponent in two games for Jenkins.

Will talk about Ryder first - he showed a lot of character in his opening match, after Pipe went two sets up I assumed that'd be that, but Ryder then managed to run off six straight legs to get the big upset and progress to the second round. That said, I think a ton of the result was Pipe cracking under pressure rather than Ryder dominating him, a match average of less than 84 isn't great, especially when you've run six straight legs. Someone more clinical will easily finish him off.

Jenkins looked very good, aside from a blip in the second set, averaging nearly a ton against someone who put him under no pressure whatsoever in the three sets that Jenkins won. Scoring more 140's than tons is a good sign that you're finding the trebles nicely, he was hitting the doubles solidly, and winning the deciding set in three straight 15 darters or less is high quality and will prove very tough for anyone.

Ryder, to his credit, took his chances against someone struggling a bit. Jenkins is an entirely different kettle of fish, and I can't see him fluffing his lines here.

2.5u Jenkins 1/5

 Peter WrightRonny Huybrechts
Odds1-44-1
64 ranking534
Previous round3-0 vs Price3-0 vs A Smith

Peter Wright looks to reach a similar stage as last year, and kicked off with a straight sets win over Gerwyn Price, who gave the former finalist some things to think about, forcing a decider in two sets and averaging well into the 90's, but only managing the one break, which was countered by Wright, who held everywhere else to come through.

Ronny kicked off Saturday's action like a train, winning the first six legs in a row against Andy Smith to gain what ought to be an insurmountable lead. Smith tried a bit of a comeback, but after taking the first two legs in the third set, couldn't push home that advantage, allowing Huybrechts to come back, with Smith missing key doubles that could have extended the match.

Ronny did enough to put away Smith, but that was somewhat expected, and the errors he made will be punished a lot more easily by someone of Wright's quality. Wright's had the better first round test, and I'd expect him to cruise through this, although I'd think Ronny has the quality to grab a set or two

2u Wright 1/4

 Dave ChisnallBenito van de Pas
Odds2-77-2
64 ranking938
Previous round3-0 vs de Vreede3-2 vs Nicholson

van de Pas made a huge meal of beating Nicholson, coming through in a deciding set with a classy 109 kill to close out the deciding set. It really shouldn't have gone that far though, as Nicholson bottled chances to kill this a lot earlier.

Chisnall was comfortable in victory over de Vreede, although it's easy to do that when your opponent is averaging 75. An automatic win, although not without apparent equipment issues, making the final set closer than it needed to be.

I'm not backing Chisnall, if I'm going to pull the trigger on anyone it's van de Pas, and with the market having no rounding I should be picking a side really, but it just seems right - van de Pas can show up if he can tighten up his consistency, but I can't see him doing it against someone of Chisnall's quality and experience enough to warrant punting on him.

 Michael van GerwenSascha Stein
Odds1-4133-1
64 ranking162
Previous round3-1 vs Cullen3-1 vs Kellett

van Gerwen wins but lol that price

 Gary AndersonJelle Klaasen
Odds2-917-4
64 ranking327
Previous round3-1 vs Kirchner3-1 vs Kist

Klaasen edged a close one against fellow Dutchman Kist, taking the first two sets in deciders before letting Kist sweep him in the third, a favour he returned in the fourth to win the match. It looks like he just had enough of an edge in scoring to compensate for slightly inferior finishing.

Anderson, er, well, I'm going to put it down to Kirchner's incredibly deliberate playstyle putting him completely out of rhythm. Kirchner played well, and indeed missed some chances that could have made this even more interesting, but Anderson averaging 86 and checking out less than 25% just seem like huge outliers, and something he'll rectify at this stage.

I kind of want to bet Jelle, but don't want to bet against Anderson. I just think that a more natural speed of play will eliminate the garbage stats and make a huge difference. Will leave this one alone.
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12-23-2014 , 09:28 PM
Think your bias is getting in the way of what seems like value on Klaasen to me! I pick worse than Bristow though.
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12-23-2014 , 11:31 PM
R1 done.

Very good so far, few upsets as well to mix things up!

Ash I make that 3 (Ando, Wright, Thornton) v 2 (Ando, Ryder)

Gonna be close!
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12-24-2014 , 04:10 AM
No, I think you are a lock. Ryder will be a huge dog, Anderson a small dog, and your three are all big favourites.

Probably should have made it pick two of the three Scottish top 10 seeds, but owe well, I do not like currency.
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12-24-2014 , 04:26 AM
It's more down to Nicholson and Witlock getting beat. Could have been much closer.

Ryder has Jenkins, so yeh thinks he's out!

Think K Anderson could cause another upset though!

The bracket is going to come down to one or two matches as well!
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12-26-2014 , 09:32 AM
So I had most of day two written up then my comp crashed, sigh

ROUND TWO DAY TWO MATCHES

 Andy HamiltonKyle Anderson
Odds4-713-8
64 ranking1845
Previous round3-2 vs Richardson3-0 vs Beaton

So I'm kind of pissed off that I didn't just pile on Anderson at the opening line of 9/4, which is an automatic bet, question now is whether it's still worth betting Anderson at what looks to be a lot more like a natural line.

I'm tending to think yes. In Anderson's favour is Hamilton really isn't good - he got himself into a right pickle in the first round, going 2-1 down in sets to Richardson, before getting out of it. Anderson also looked very good after an inconsistent first set against Beaton, not giving him a chance to get back into it, not like Beaton would have done if offered the chance.

On the negative side, Hamilton has course and distance, having played a lot more games of this length than Anderson (I don't think Anderson's played a race to 4 sets ever, or a comparable length leg-play match), and did at least finish off Richardson well, getting up into the 90's with a good checkout rate. Anderson is also throwing a few too many 5's and 1's for my liking, staying straight more often will be key.

Still like an Anderson bet. I think he can come through here close to half the time, which is enough given the odds offered.

1u Anderson 13/8

 Cristo ReyesKevin Painter
Odds14-51-3
64 ranking6223
Previous round3-2 vs Newton3-1 vs Koltsov

This is a tricky one. Painter's come through a match against a Russian qualifier, who looked good in the preliminary, but apart from one set did absolutely nothing to pressure him, with a sub-80 average to finish. Painter did the job professionally enough, but Reyes will be a set up.

Reyes showed a lot of professionalism and quality - going 2 sets up against Newton, he held himself together well following Newton bringing things into a deciding set and extra legs, and not losing his bottle when the ref bollocked everything up in the deciding leg. He matched Newton on scoring and checkouts, so should be dangerous.

I think Reyes is at least live in this one, if he gets off to a good start. Painter's more experienced and a decent front runner, but Reyes has already beaten a better thrower than Painter, and with it going all the way, it was of a comparable length match. 14-5 doesn't even need a 30% success rate to be a good bet, so I'm taking the Spaniard for a small flyer.

0.5u Reyes 14/5

 Ian WhiteKim Huybrechts
Odds7-44-7
64 ranking1317
Previous round3-1 vs Michael3-0 vs Mansell

Two very closely matched players by pretty much every metric, but White's a decently priced underdog. I'm not sure why this is. I think the only thing in Kim's favour is the opening round matchups - White had a spot of bother with John Michael before pulling ahead and closing the match out, whereas Huybrechts cruised past Mickey Mansell in straight sets.

I think this is close regardless - don't know what price you can get on o5.5 or o6.5 sets, but I can see this going all the way. White I think is this long purely based on Huybrechts having greater name recognition and a higher ceiling. Worth a punt on the Stokie here.

1u White 7/4

 Darren WebsterDean Winstanley
Odds6-44-6
64 ranking3025
Previous round3-1 vs Whitlock3-2 vs Jones

And now the second round match that all of us in the know thought would happen, with Whitlock's conqueror Darren Webster coming in as a small dog to Dean Winstanley.

I'm avoiding this one. It looks close on paper, and I think Winstanley's got a small edge. The line reflects this. My rankings have them a bit closer than the official rankings, and Winstanley's had a wake up call already and ought to raise his game, after a close first round tie with Wayne Jones who, to be fair, was hitting 140's for fun and not missing many checkouts. Webster did what he needed to do vs Whitlock, and didn't play badly, but he was certainly helped with Whitlock crapping the bed totally. Webster knows this is a shot to push in to the top 32, but Winstanley knows this is also a good shot to get a lot closer to the top 16 - with King and Whitlock dropping out, this section of the draw has been blown open. Will just be enjoying this one.

 Phil TaylorMark Webster
Odds1-1210-1
64 ranking233
Previous round3-0 vs Artut3-1 vs Meulenkamp

Taylor wins. Next.

 Adrian LewisKeegan Brown
Odds1-54-1
64 ranking448
Previous round3-0 vs Pallett3-2 vs Part

Keegan Brown started us all off badly on the betting front, knocking out John Part after overcoming the Canadian's recovery from two sets down to hold his nerve in a decider. This time up, the challenge is a lot tougher.

Adrian Lewis had probably the best performance of the first round, taking apart Dave Pallett in straight sets with a ton+ average.

If I'm betting anyone here it's Lewis. He looked incredibly good in the first round, and Keegan's shown previously that a longer match can be the undoing of him. I don't see him racing into a lead which I think he'd need to do in order to stand a chance, he might nick a set but I can't see how he gets four against the former champ. I'm going to hope there's similar movement in the line that we saw in the first round but won't hold my breath - if it drops to 1/4 I'm piling on Lewis, 2/9 might be close. They're still pretty short though and I've got plenty of short priced money out there already.
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12-26-2014 , 10:03 AM
ROUND TWO DAY THREE MATCHES

Brendan DolanMichael Smith
9-58-15
1015
3-0 vs Arendse3-1 vs Suljovic

Go look here:

http://dartsdatabase.co.uk/HeadToHea...07&plbKey=6025

Dolan's played Smith five times in ranking events in the last 15 months, and won every time. They're all short formats, but Smith hasn't won more than two legs in any of them. This includes a win in the European Championship two months ago. Smith got the most recent one in the Grand Slam, but it looks like Dolan was already drawing dead at that stage, so who cares.

Smith won a very tight, high scoring and high checking out battle against Mensur Suljovic, every set going to a deciding leg. Good form there. Meanwhile Dolan knocked out the interesting challenge of Nolan Arendse without dropping a leg. The average wasn't as good as Smith's, but it's hard to do when your opponent is averaging under 85 and never hit a double.

Dolan should never be an underdog in this one. At worst it should be 10/11 take your pick. That he's 9/5 seems bat**** insane value.

1u Dolan 9/5

Max HoppVincent van der Voort
13-88-13
4620
3-2 vs King3-2 vs Henderson

So yeah, thanks for ruining everything Hopp. King was clearly injured, but I still think he might have had enough to get through, and he did miss a dart for the match. Hopp got it done though, and in style with a 161 to win it.

van der Voort overcame a tougher than expected opener against John Henderson, not being able to get ahead in sets until they went into overtime, taking the final set 4-2 with an impressive 157 kill and taking the rest in less than 15.

That seems like a nice price for Vincent. Hopp's always looked good on occasions, but Vincent's a lot more experienced, has also had a good warm-up match, and may well do better in the longer format. Hopp's price seems like an over-adjustment after the King game.

1u van der Voort 8/13

Raymond van BarneveldJamie Caven
3-1011-4
2119
3-0 vs Rodriguez3-2 vs Hogg

Caven came through a scrappy match with Jason Hogg to reach this stage, 3-2 and barely averaging over 80. This was mainly due to Caven missing 35 doubles, which is an impressive feat in a best of 5 sets match, but the other guy helped keep him in it. If Caven keps doubling like that Barney wins with ease.

Barney did win with ease against Rowby-John Rodriguez, dropping just two legs, averaging a fraction under a ton (hard to do with your opponent under 80) and hitting some big checkouts to boot.

I've got Caven in the bracket, which could prove to be a mistake. I think Caven will certainly be practicing to tighten up on his doubles, but if Barney plays in a similar fashion to the first round, it won't even matter. If anything, this is close to a bet on Barney, but I'll avoid the match.

James WadeStephen Bunting
4-613-10
622
3-1 vs Lewis3-1 vs Marijanovic

And finally, easily the match of the round, with BDO champion Stephen Bunting facing multiple major winner James Wade.

I watched the Bunting game, and he seemed a touch nervous, and wasn't scoring particularly heavily, but what he was doing was hitting his doubles very well, which he needed to do as Marijanovic wasn't playing that terribly even in the sets he lost.

Wade overcame the challenge of Jamie Lewis, who was able to grab the second set to briefly threaten, but only won one leg in the rest of the match. Wade scored well enough that he was able to miss a few doubles, and get through fairly comfortably in the end.

I'm avoiding betting this. Wade has the edge, just - but I think Bunting could be a nice play if you think that his mediocre scoring in the opener was just down to opening nerves on a new stage. If he can get down to doubles early enough he should be able to take the chances that he'll get, my worry is that Wade won't allow him enough. A close one to call, I'm just going to sit back and enjoy it.
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12-26-2014 , 10:25 AM
Yo, sixfour, I'd take Hopp vs. VVDV for 8$ to your 13$ if you want an extra sweat.
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12-27-2014 , 08:55 AM
I'll be alright

Second round under way, Thornton with a quick 3-0 on throw
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12-27-2014 , 09:23 AM
boooooooooooo

3-0 though
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12-27-2014 , 10:06 AM
That was ****ing close
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12-27-2014 , 10:33 AM
Lol Ryder
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12-27-2014 , 10:46 AM
Shouldn't it be Jenkins Ryder now or was that game over really fast?

edit : nevermind it appears Jenkins crushed
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12-27-2014 , 11:59 AM
ytd: 9-7, +1.62u
outrights: 0-2, -0.6u

good afternoon. in the brackets, YKY already was down because of picking pipe but also picking baxter knocks him back a ton
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12-27-2014 , 03:04 PM
Benito v.d. plas is going to win the next match, chisnall is going to miss his doubles again, at least i hope so lol

COME ON BENITO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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12-27-2014 , 03:06 PM
then MVG is going to crush the german.
No doubt about this one.
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12-27-2014 , 03:09 PM
And then it is going to get very difficult, must hope for a bad night for gary, but then again gary is a very nice sportif good guy, so this one every result is ok with me, but hope for a close one.
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12-27-2014 , 03:10 PM
It looks like it is dutch night tonight lol
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12-27-2014 , 04:10 PM
Rut roh chizzy

Just missed d16 for a 15 darter damnit
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12-27-2014 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Fatal Checkraise
Yo, sixfour, I'd take Hopp vs. VVDV for 8$ to your 13$ if you want an extra sweat.
Il take it on Stars if no one else wants it.

Quote to book
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12-27-2014 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ashley12
Il take it on Stars if no one else wants it.

Quote to book


lol Chisnall
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12-27-2014 , 04:44 PM
3 more!

Damn.

Last edited by Fatal Checkraise; 12-27-2014 at 04:54 PM.
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12-27-2014 , 05:37 PM
Can the dutch make it 3 in a row??
Come on jelle!!!!!!!

Yep sorry changed my mind, can't help it . lol
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12-27-2014 , 05:44 PM
Gl FC

Anderson walk on song underrated...
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12-27-2014 , 06:06 PM
Anderson in trouble
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