Agreed. My point is that he bailed out on his comments on the Taylor tackle. Therefore, he was not (publicly) stating that Taylor had intent to take out Eduardo. Now, why is not allowed to use the same position when discussing Diaby's tackle? As you state, the tackles were almost carbon copies.

Therefore, either Arsene's original comments about Taylor were justified and he retracted them under pressure (thus making the retraction disingenuous) or they were not justified as there was no intent and the hard play is just part of the game. Most people (me included) believed that his original (and retracted) comments regarding Taylor were too much. His subsequent stance was more appropriate. Now, why should he take a different approach regarding yesterday's tackle?

Is it now expected that Wenger should throw his own player under the bus (and take an inconsistent stance at the same time) just to appease the anti-Wenger crowd?

I think Taylor and Cole's tackles were considerably worse. Diaby is just a clumsy clown and his tackle was bad. He definitely deserved a red card as well. But I don't see any malice at all in his tackle. Which was really amusing when I was watching the game. The announcer said "he was late and their was intent". **** off, and yeah Eduardo is just too quick for poor Taylor. Bunch of bull**** IMO.

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I'm sick of this attitude where managers, players, and fans must defend every call that goes against them, refusing to just deal with reality. Sometimes your players **** up, it happens to every team, move on. I think it's a lack of objectivity like this that creates anti-Wenger people, as you put it.

He doesn't have to "throw his own player under the bus", but he could accept that it was a bad tackle and a clear red card, as was the Taylor tackle. Obviously the Taylor one was worse, but an injury easily could have occurred on the Diaby tackle as well.

Good on Arsenal for coming back after the sending off, great effort on their part.

72, you are right, however what bothers me the most is after the Eduardo injury, everyone backed Taylor. They said **** like "he's really nice and not like this". "Eduardo is too quick for him". Now after Diaby's tackle there is apparently clear malice and now the indignation comes out about how horrible Arsenal are. Its like people were waiting for something like this to happen so they could castigate Arsenal and their dirty tactics. That hypocracy is what pisses me off. Thankfully no one was injured, both for that players career, but also so that we weren't subjected to the absurd media attention. I can only imagine how bad it would have been if he was injured and missed 3 games or something. I would be the media and other dip****s that follow the league would say its worse than what happened to Eduardo. because you know, this other guy is a victim because he's not as quick as Eduardo, thus there is now way he was too quick for Diaby, ergo Diaby knows what he is doing and is trying to compound fracture his leg.

I mean, people are essentially chocking up Eduardo's injury to 'This happens in football".

Nice performance today! Enjoy the UEFA Cup!

No probs, I'm happy to leave it at that.

I agree with what you're saying, but it seems Wenger's reaction is playing a big part in this. I think it would be far less of an issue if he were more consistent on these incidents, critical of all bad tackles, whether they happen against him or not. I think if more managers would do so it could help remove them from the game. Unfortunately he has more than a little company in being inconsistent in decisions that go for and against him in the managerial ranks.

Exactly mocky, which is why it was good to see Kammy call him out for bull****ting in almost identical ter.ms that you've used there.

This double standards and blinkered vision was exactly what sparked the argument with Arsenal fans on here after Taylor's tackle. Not that Whinger got annoyed about it - although he did go ott - but sure as night followed day when an Arsenal player committed a similar foul, you could be sure he would completely defend him. And sure enough, it only took a month.

Didn't see the game? Plenty of football being played by Bolton, and the only hacking was from the team in red. Bolton - 0 red cards for the season, the only team left in the league with that stat, not exactly the record of hackers eh?

You are an expert on double standards and blinkered vision.

Here's some expert commentary on Scotland v. Italy:

Maybe they should be a wee bit more agressive rather than slipping silently into the Champs?

Just go back and read the Bolton threads - everyone their talks about what rubbish your side has become. At this point, we finally see the rats in the water as the ship has capsized ... Believe me, I'm not calling RatShaft a rat, he left the boat a few weeks back.

Some of the real Bolton fans say Hi:

http://www.wanderersways.com/forum/i...pic=41297&st=0

I've already said my peace on Diaby. You probably can't be bothered to go back and read it though.

I was using hacks in the spirit of people who can't cut it. In this case, a team that can't play football on the EPL level. Just like you are a hack of a poster.

Nonetheless, the team with 10 men had more possession and committed less fouls.

No you're not on ignore as yet, I can review your posts whenever.


Ah well, as long as it makes you feel big, carry on.

Haha, only due to the ****ness of referees. Obv you saw Kevin Nolan's 'tackle' on Corluka. Presumably you stand by his comments?

”I thought the booking was a bit harsh, I felt Corluka made a bit of a meal of it - that’s what these lads do when they come over here.

“We just get up and get on it with it - that’s the English mentality but from him I sort of expected it.”

Nice touch of xenophobia from the dirty scouse bastard.

Managers in defending their own players and criticising others shock, hold the front page!. I don't get what your problem is with Wenger when the rest are just as bad, Ferguson is exactly the same in failing to criticise Rooney recently. Selective criticism only weakens your argument.

Xenophobia? Let's not get carried away. Corluka has a track record.

Ferguson did criticise his own player Nani recently in the game against Arsenal. Wenger, as great a manager as he is, has come out with some of the worst accusations and quotes there have been.

Anyway it's just stupid trying to justify something by saying "everyone else does it so it's okay."

100% spot on. Wenger can't just go and say "diaby was a dirty ****" in that spot, he replied pretty aptly, not criticising the player and then actually saying "I have no complaints" at the end.

why didn't you go to the game fatshaft????? i really would like to know, maybe its cos ur team is ****.

and abt not renewing ur season ticket, that is bollocks cos u will get abt 5 matches tagged on free next season if u buy one.

oski really does win at teh internetz. it's so funny that fatshaft doesn't even appear to be liked on bolton-only forums either.

Please elaborate, he's been in the EPL less than 1 season and I haven't seen him take a dive yet. He has been on the receiving end of at least 3 'ankle breakers' I can recall however, Spurs, Everton and Bolton. As for xenophobia Nolan is clearly referring to any foreign player although as he is a footballer he is obv thick and can't express himself properly.

That's not what I'm trying to do at all, I'm not a fan of managers' blinkered hypocrisy in anyway but fatshaft makes out that Wenger is the only culprit which is clearly not the case.

on motd, shearer and lawrenson were taking the piss out of sven's accent. isn't that xenophobia or racism or summin. seemed pretty out of order and really unfunny to me.

Sven probably shagged their missus. He speaks 5 languages so doubt he's bothered what they think of his accent

great, iv now got the image of sven naked in my head now.

but he did bang ulrika jonson so we could all learn from him imo

No love in this thread for the Spuds 1 King Kev 4 result?

i did like poyet's comments that players don't have to play the rest of teh season as long as they dont get paid on motd2.

mike ashley still astounds me, he is a total nutter