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07-07-2007 , 10:27 PM

#1276

Toro

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Omg tito has bailey phitting. has he lost it?

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07-07-2007 , 10:27 PM

#1277

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Papelbon hasn't pitched in three days, there's only 1 more game before the ASB, and Timlin is coming in. Using him for 1.1 innings here is not a waste.

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07-07-2007 , 10:30 PM

#1278

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It's a waste in the sense that if they don't score for a while then do score a run, who closes?

On the road it's harder ot use your closer in a tie game.

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07-07-2007 , 10:32 PM

#1279

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It's a waste in the sense that if they don't score for a while then do score a run, who closes?

it doesnt matter

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07-07-2007 , 10:32 PM

#1280

GuyIncognito

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That's it, I'm not getting in this argument again.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rt=112&vc=1

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07-07-2007 , 10:34 PM

#1281

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At home you can do it because as soon as you score a run the games over and you don't need a closer. but i know what you're all saying, it's better to use your best rather lose the game without him getting off the pine. But still on the road its tough.

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07-07-2007 , 10:35 PM

#1282

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It's a waste in the sense that if they don't score for a while then do score a run, who closes?

come on you can't be a real person are you honestly not a gimmick account

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07-07-2007 , 10:35 PM

#1283

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But still on the road its tough.

why do you think it's tough?

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07-07-2007 , 10:36 PM

#1284

Toro

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I just explained it.

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07-07-2007 , 10:37 PM

#1285

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It's a waste in the sense that if they don't score for a while then do score a run, who closes?

On the road it's harder ot use your closer in a tie game.

Who has a better chance of keeping the score as it is? If Timlin gives up a run here the game is over. Since getting outs is the goal currently so your team can bat, why use the lesser pitcher? Also, BOS can score more than 1 run and allow for a lesser pitcher to 'close' the rest of the game. Paps highest value is in the current situation where giving up any runs is 100% chance of losing the game.

craig

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07-07-2007 , 10:38 PM

#1286

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It's a waste in the sense that if they don't score for a while then do score a run, who closes?

come on you can't be a real person are you honestly not a gimmick account

Apparently tito is also a gimmick account because he's doing what I'm saying. but he's probably "old" school.

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07-07-2007 , 10:39 PM

#1287

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I just explained it.

I dont think you did. you just said "it's tough"

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07-07-2007 , 10:39 PM

#1288

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This was already discussed ad nauseam in the Yankees thread to which I linked.

The thing is, I'm pretty sure there have been situations before where Tito has used Papelbon on the road in a tie game in the 9th/10th/11th.

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07-07-2007 , 10:43 PM

#1289

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I just explained it.

I dont think you did. you just said "it's tough"

You mean you don't see the difference between using him in a home game vs an away game when it's tied in extra innings?

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07-07-2007 , 10:43 PM

#1290

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Apparently tito is also a gimmick account because he's doing what I'm saying. but he's probably "old" school.

The only reason I can imagine that Francona hasn't brought him out is because boston has an 11 game lead in the division, and wants him to get a lot of rest with the ASB coming up. That is the only thing I can imagine, not saying it is correct.

Also, the fallacy of authority isn't very convincing. If I said 'well francona batted a rookie, he is a coach, so i must be right that batting the rookie was the correct thing to do" that doesn't make it the right thing to do.

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07-07-2007 , 10:45 PM

#1291

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Got me there, that was ******ed using Bailey to ph.

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07-07-2007 , 10:46 PM

#1292

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Got me there, that was ******ed using Bailey to ph.

Thats why he ph hit him, lol.

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07-07-2007 , 10:47 PM

#1293

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I just explained it.

I dont think you did. you just said "it's tough"

You mean you don't see the difference between using him in a home game vs an away game when it's tied in extra innings?

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the question is if you should be using Pap in a tie game on the road, not whether it's better/worse/equal than doing it at home. that's barely relevant.

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07-07-2007 , 10:49 PM

#1294

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how do people choose to lose the game with their best pitcher on the bench? it's not variance, it's poor decisions. variance would be putting their best pitcher out there and still losing.

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07-07-2007 , 10:51 PM

#1295

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No seriously guys, click on this link

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rt=112&vc=1

and replace "Rivera" with "Papelbon" and "Proctor" with "Timlin".

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07-07-2007 , 11:16 PM

#1296

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I'm not saying that Red Sox fans are dumber than Yankees fans (not too many people here are saying that), but there is a HUGE difference between Timlin and Proctor in this situation.

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07-07-2007 , 11:21 PM

#1297

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I'm not saying that Red Sox fans are dumber than Yankees fans (not too many people here are saying that), but there is a HUGE difference between Timlin and Proctor in this situation.

Well, back in the 10th the comparison would have been between Proctor and (a kind of gassed) Okajima.

I think a number of regulars in this thread pop in the Yankee thread on occasion, so I just wanted to point out the argument there.

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07-07-2007 , 11:50 PM

#1298

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It's a waste in the sense that if they don't score for a while then do score a run, who closes?

Explain to me why pitching with a lead has more pressure than pitching in a tie game where if you let up 1 run you lose game over.

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07-08-2007 , 12:22 AM

#1299

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love getting baily an AB, not pena. so losing penas bat, yet getting him in the field. i just LOVE baseball managers. and toro.

they showed penas eyes and he was ready to hit a homer btw.

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07-08-2007 , 02:57 AM

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love getting baily an AB, not pena. so losing penas bat, yet getting him in the field. i just LOVE baseball managers. and toro.

they showed penas eyes and he was ready to hit a homer btw.

lmao