http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post...west-mythology

1. panthers 14.9%
2. redskins 13%
3. seahawks 5.6%
4. 9ers 4.5%

so those only take into account actual rushes and not playaction out of that formation?

Time to play CAPTAIN HINDSIGHT with some Russell Wilson discussion (just a sampling, but I don't feel like pulling every lol quote here):

lol @ that guy saying he won't be elite

Captain hindsight indeed. Wilson was the worst QB in the league thru the first 5 games of 2012.

They could definitely be counting a standard shotgun handoff as a "read option"

We'll never doubt you again.

While this is arguable, calling Wilson worse than TJax is a CAPITAL OFFENSE which should not escape ridicule

1000 times

Bucs sign Mike Williams for 6yr/40 mil.

Williams is really great, young reciever whose only really struggled because of Freeman's inaccuracy, so I'm great with it.

Plummer threw 35 passes/game at 6.2 Any/A his rookie year (9 starts, 1 late-game sub-in)

Do any/a and ny/a take into account the times when a qb drops back to pass, then ends up running for a gain?

Looks like no to that question. It's merely (Pass yds - Sack yds) / (Pass attempts + sacks)

no, but EPA/P does.

this is true but the problem is that there is also a strong correlation between a team having a poor running game and the coach deciding they should pass and between a team having a poor defense and the coach deciding they should pass. indy obv had both.

9er Friendly Article by Barnwell:

8-Kaep
22-PWill
25-Aldon
38-Bowman
40-Iupati
46-Staley

Seattle:

2-Wilson
24-Sherman

ET tho

Sure. If they're putting up similar or better yards/play without the drive consistency, it pretty much mandates that they're getting a decent chunk of deep plays.

Definitely agree with your point about Denver/NE/NO passing more/being smarter being a part of the situation. (And that additional usage will, in a lot of cases, naturally drive down ANY/A as defenses adjust, which is part of why the high-usage/elite offensive QBs like Brees/Peyton/Brady don't distinguish themselves as much in ANY/A as, say, pure EPA.)

But I also think that's reflective of the QBs they have: Manning, Brady, and Brees are great decision-makers, comfortable making progressions and tough decisions on intermediate routes, etc. Chicken/egg to an extent tho, the young non-Luck QBs could all probably be throwing more and hopefully will next season.

That's fair. I think the argument for Luck's quality has been based too much on WIM/pedigree and not enough on how impressive it is for a rookie to be close to league average ratewise with such high usage.

Lol at Mike Williams getting almost victor Cruz money

more like lol victor cruz

fwiw at the time i had you mixed up with former poster sharktank43 (who was the only blaine gabbert supporter in se afaik) and that post was supposed to be making fun of you, not rustle. sorry bro.

While this takes a little fun out of my retrospective burn, it reminds me I probably shouldn't ever talk about adj.ustable ra.te mort.gages

For the first part of that initial discussion all I kept thinking was "Sando has lost his goddamn mind"

Clearly we have differing opinions on the importance of usage and sample size. I don't know what part of this you don't understand. In your mind you've decided that 11 games (conveniently ignoring 5 bad ones) is enough to anoint a guy 2nd best QB ITL, virtually NO ONE else agrees with you on this. Yet you keep arguing it in every post you make, knowing full well that no one is going to change their mind. This will be my last response to you for this NFL season and I hope others follow suit as some have already alluded to doing.

I don't necessarily think you are trolling in the sense that you don't believe the things you say, and I will give you props for putting more money where your mouth is on Wilson > Brees (even tho I think you are totally FOS about what would happen if they switched teams); but you are 100% without a doubt trolling in the sense that you constantly steer the conversation toward stupid arguments where you are basically the only person on the others side and no one else is going to change their mind no matter how many stats your cherry pick to support your argument. The amount of time this forum has spent arguing about Vick is ****ing pathetic and it is 100% your fault. Now that you are realizing your horse might not even be a starter you are picking a new one who is sure to help you derail conversations for years to come.