So many rankings. An average QB can very well win in today's NFL. I think Flacco winning has prompted a lot of people to say, "well you don't need any better than this guy." But the elite QBs produce historical, "I can't believe this guy is playing this well in this league" seasons. So that's the difference. And all of the HoF guys have at least one of those on their resume. A singular RANG is not nearly enough and two RANGS needs more evidence.

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You can't win with an average QB. Flacco played out of his mind in the playoffs. The only way you can win the SB with a meh QB is by being completely stacked elsewhere (see '11 Niners). It's woat to build a team around an average QB.

Just need run hot in the playoffs to win titles.

Eli, Flacco and others have done it. Get there and get hot and you can win it. It's pretty tough to do though.

Should have clarified... an average QB can absolutely win a Super Bowl if he plays out of his mind in the playoffs. But you can win with a solid but meh guy. And Flacco is like 1.6 better than average so he's perfectly qualified to ball out and bink a SB.

You clearly don't need an elite QB to RANG, but I'd much rather have Flacco than Dalton. What Flacco has that Dalton doesn't is a solid deep ball, and esp. the deep out. What Dalton has that Flacco doesn't is an elite receiver. A good deep ball on an otherwise mediocre QB gives you the slight edge you need to eke out a miracle win. Dalton doesn't have that, but he does have a crutch and a better roster.

That said, I think Cincy is still my pick to win the AFCN this coming year, but it's mostly due to the decline in Baltimore's defense while Cincy's has remained strong, and due to the fact that the Steelers seem to be weaker still than they were last year (lol stealers), and while the Browns haven't done enough to get there.

Dalton's release is quicker his medium and short accuracy is slightly better also.

The point of the article is that it only takes a slight "nudge in ability or weapons" to turn it out in today's NFL, and I believe that. But they listed like 5 big problems needed to get there for the bengals. The Falcons had far fewer gaps. I have been in no way trying to compare Flacbert to Ginger either.

Flacco isn't going to continue on that kind of tear with Torrey Smith and Jacoby Jones as his starting receivers. Trading Boldin for a 6th is so bad. If they only somewhat overpay for Flacco, then they can keep Boldin.

Dalton's ceiling is so much lower than Flacco's though.

Rapers has two rangz, but he's never been considered an elite stat compiler... where does he stand?

not an elite stat compiler amirite

I don't know the specifics of that grab from pro-fr... I'm re-defining "elite" in the NFL as "omg, this guy is amazing, may not see this again." If this has never been said about you, you are not elite.

ITT someone tries to make the case for Ben as a HoF. He prob is. In fact, most likely he is. I think we trailed off onto different points.

Wasn't Kruger the best lineman on that team and they let him go too? I don't get that one,

My point is Rape isn't a good comparison. He's obv significantly better than Dalton or Flacco.

And they couldn't afford Kruger, suzzer. I don't think cutting Suggs would've been a bad idea if they favored Kruger. Suggs is 30 and may never be the same post-injury. The Flacco/Rice/Suggs contracts are pretty backbreaking.

i guess they think ngata is their best lineman, which i agree with

edit: wasn't it jarrett johnson b/f kruger? i'm guessing that w/ngata and suggs whoever they stick in there is going to get some pressure

Dalton's ceiling is so much lower than Flacco's though.[/QUOTE]

We don't know that Dalton has only played 2 seasons.

Cam top ten qb oat

This got posted on my facebook feed



Remind me to stay far far away from Bears training camp

Rivers placement on that list tells me everything I need to know about that list.

schu i dont get whats wrong with that pic?

rape's play extension on 3rd down is def something that makes you say "wow".

"Come in a man"

As other people have said, I just don't think Dalton's physically capable of putting together the type of stretches Eli and Flacco have had. If you have arm strength, it's feasible to run hot/"get locked in" for a four-game stretch in terms of decision-making and execution. An elite deep ball is something that Dalton's just not going to have.

oh lol

Well now that you just said that, I can't help but read this post in a really dirty way. Too much physically capable, stretches, deep ball and execution. I might even add four-game, but I just... won't.

Kruger is worthless without Suggs on his opposite side. Remember Ray Edwards opposite Jared Allen? Yeah, me either. Boldon was getting released, so getting ANYTHING for him was a agreed move. Dalton has been unimpressive in two playoff games so far whereas Flacco has been money.

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Suggs was AWFUL when he came back last season. Kruger was fine with a 0.5 Suggs last year. While I think Kruger won't do as well with the Browns, I highly doubt it was b/c of Suggs dominant play.

Suggs also plays a very different position... an achilles tear is very different for a WR. It's going to be an uphill battle to regain what he had.