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out of their four CFP losses they are 0-1 against UGA (2022 SF), 1-1 against Bama (W 2014, L 2020), and their other two losses were against Clemson (2016, 2019). It has a lot more to do with the B1G divisions being so lopsided, despite being 77-6 during regular season B1G play over the last 10 years they have managed to not win their division 5 of those years even though they never once had more than one conference loss in any single year during that time frame. And its really hard to make the playoffs if you don't win your division.

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11-30-2023 , 03:20 PM

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That Ok St spread seems ridiculous too. Texas is one of the worst big game programs in the last 15 years. Ok St winning straight up is almost not even an upset in my mind.

what big games has texas played in over the last 15 years? they have a single Big 6 bowl appearance during that time which was a 7 pt win against UGA in the Sugar bowl as 14 points underdogs. Texas has been one of the worst blue blood programs over the last 15 years but i don't think it's accurate to say they have been one of the worst big game programs in the last 15 years, that award would go to Michigan or Notre Dame.

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11-30-2023 , 03:29 PM

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Maybe not “big games” but every time they’ve given reason for someone to claim that “Texas was back” they quickly indicated that it was a lie

A couple of Maryland loses in back to back years comes to mind, along with a home loss to a really bad Kansas. There are others I’m sure.

When Notre Dame loses its mostly been expected. Like everyone knew that Teo (or whoever that catfish guy was) led team was going to get steamrolled.

But Texas has a choking history

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11-30-2023 , 03:38 PM

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well i just said in my post

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Texas has been one of the worst blue blood programs over the last 15 years

so im not sure what you are even arguing here. Texas has been a terrible program for the last decade+? yes, literally no one disagrees

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11-30-2023 , 03:45 PM

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well i just said in my post

so im not sure what you are even arguing here. Texas has been a terrible program for the last decade+? yes, literally no one disagrees

I don’t “argue” with anyone, I educate

But to answer your question there is a difference between a terrible program and a good program that is a choke artist.

Texas is clearly the latter

You asked a question about what “big games?”. I took the initiative to help the man with the answer

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11-30-2023 , 04:02 PM

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I don’t “argue” with anyone, I educate

You asked a question about what “big games?”. I took the initiative to help the man with the answer

yes you answered the question by just completely changing the definition of what "Big Games" means. nobody in their right mind would ever consider Texas vs Maryland or Texas vs Kansas as big games so it was a re-tarded answer.

sorry to all the people who have this guy on block.

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11-30-2023 , 04:13 PM

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I clarified it for you, he didn’t mean big games

You are welcome

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11-30-2023 , 05:07 PM

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I think a combo is best. Just going pure power or pure sort by losses is too much. With pure power, the game results have far less importance. The fun of college football and games like OSU/Michigan is that the result is everything, even if it isn't totally fair. With pure power, the game would have been rendered practically meaningless. As long as the game was close, both teams would probably hold on to a top 3 spot.

OTOH, you can't just straight sort by losses, there are limits to it, and you have to use reason. How much better in a power ranking must a team be to leapfrog one with a better record? 5 pts? 10? 20? I'm not exactly sure, but it seems pretty clear that if a team is 2 TDs better, then you probably want to move them ahead of the unbeaten.

One thing that seems a bit messed up about CFB is that you can win every game you play, and still not even have a shot at the title. AFAIK, this is the only college sport where that's possible. Luckily, the 12-team playoff will probably remedy that, and even crappier undefeateds should get the final playoff spots.

That's why "real" college football selects a champion based on who had the best season. And all criteria go into "best." If it was only a power ranking they could vote a champion in week 6.

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11-30-2023 , 05:10 PM

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Has Texas sucked the last 13 years? Yes
Not sure what anything 4+ years ago has anything to do with this years team considering there isn't a player or coach that is here now that was there then.

Were we a middling team last year? Yes
What does that have to do with this year? Nothing

Went down to Bama and beat them by 10 on their home field this year. Is that not a big win?

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11-30-2023 , 05:10 PM

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Lol fpi

3 lolbigten teams in the top 4

it's like whoever does this hasn't watched the CFB postseason for the last, oh, quarter century or so

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11-30-2023 , 05:14 PM

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what big games has texas played in over the last 15 years? they have a single Big 6 bowl appearance during that time which was a 7 pt win against UGA in the Sugar bowl as 14 points underdogs. Texas has been one of the worst blue blood programs over the last 15 years but i don't think it's accurate to say they have been one of the worst big game programs in the last 15 years, that award would go to Michigan or Notre Dame.

Texas' 15 year record in Red River Somethings and Thanksgiving weekend has been somewhat dismal until just now post-covid.

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11-30-2023 , 05:25 PM

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Texas' 15 year record in Red River Somethings and Thanksgiving weekend has been somewhat dismal until just now post-covid.

that's not really surprising since their 15 year record outside of those games has also been dismal.

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11-30-2023 , 07:43 PM

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I think back when coaches were complete morons, so about 10 years ago, a lot of teams with great offenses would probably be better off if they did not even have a kicker, and could only use their punter in their own half of the field.

Now that coaches are only semi-morons and get a lot more of the 4th down calls correct, that's probably no longer the case, but they'd still do well to have a rule like no FGs unless it's 4th and 10+ and no punting in + territory. Until the 4th Qtr of course, when we can know that in some scenarios the FG is extremely valuable.

Yea I agree. Smarter coaches--excluding Ryan Day--means this mitigating factor isn't nearly as prominent in today's game.

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11-30-2023 , 07:48 PM

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Overall record: 22-25-1

My LOCKS of the week:

Washington +10 (-118)
Ok St +15 (-110)
Louisville ml (+113)
Michigan ml (-2250)
Alabama +6 (-110)
UNLV ml (+120)
NMst +11 (-110)

$20 to win $1,237.95

Notes: The Michigan ml pick will not be counted in the overall record cuz that's too easy. The biggest lock here is Washington +10. No way in hell Oregon is THAT much better than them. It will be a 4th quarter game again. That Ok St spread seems ridiculous too. Texas is one of the worst big game programs in the last 15 years. Ok St winning straight up is almost not even an upset in my mind.

i am going to go full ILOVEPOREGON420 and predict you will kiss that parlay goodbye tomorrow night

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11-30-2023 , 07:49 PM

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Good comparison and I would say the same about both: Never feel sorry for any team that got a ship. Pistons had a similar Bravesian run in the 2000s. 6 straight conference finals or better (better than Isiah's 5 straight) and only 1 ship. Do I feel bad about not getting more championships. He'll no. Those were magical times and we got one. Just like the Braves got one and the Buckeyes got one.

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11-30-2023 , 07:56 PM

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that's not really surprising since their 15 year record outside of those games has also been dismal.

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Went down to Bama and beat them by 10 on their home field this year. Is that not a big win?

I'll admit I was shooting from the hip. Still like Texas' chances of losing this weekend.

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11-30-2023 , 08:04 PM

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I realize there’s this thing called COVID brain, but you’d actually put money on Bama getting in and Texas getting left out, conditional on Texas beating Oklahoma State by 50 points while Bama wins by one score?

Maybe I do have covid brain cuz I forgot about the 3 undefeated scenario. If Washington, FSU and Michigan all win giving us three undefeated conference champions + Texas wins + Bama wins....So the final slot is essentially a choice between Bama and Texas I don't know how they take Bama. They gotta take Texas and both Bama and Georgia stay home. OMG that would be amazing.

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11-30-2023 , 08:09 PM

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Back during the Patriots sign stealing scandal, I remember Belichick responding, seemingly candidly of all things, by saying: "We are just trying to be competitive there too." Translation: everyone is doing it, always has at least in the modern game, and we are just doing it more dramatically and better. It hits me as legit.

I don't see the Michigan thing as a big deal. You do it more flagrantly and you get caught, I guess you gotta pay some. But I don't see it as much of a black mark on them. Maybe costing jobs of underlings is the worst part.

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11-30-2023 , 08:20 PM

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Which one of these is no good?

FLA ST + 11
TEXAS - 1.5
N. MEX ST + 24
WASH + 23

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11-30-2023 , 08:28 PM

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Which one of these is no good?

FLA ST + 11
TEXAS - 1.5
N. MEX ST + 24
WASH + 23

+23 is not that much in a game that could have 80-90 points, oregon hanging 60 would hardly be shocking, if you intent on buying 2 TDs i think UGA +8 is about as safe as they come

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12-01-2023 , 02:17 AM

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3 lolbigten teams in the top 4

it's like whoever does this hasn't watched the CFB postseason for the last, oh, quarter century or so

Yah, this always seems to happen with the computers. 1 conference will get wildly overrated and then in conference season every team gets boosted b/c you're only playing the same conference teams that are already overrated.

B1G's marque OOC win is OSU getting lucky to beat ND? Even L'ville beat them by 13.

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12-01-2023 , 09:22 AM

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Congrats to Coach Prime on being named SI's Sportsperson of the Year for 2023. Truly amazing what he's been able to accomplish.

Did not know Sports Illustrated still existed

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12-01-2023 , 12:02 PM

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Louisville beat last place team Indiana by 7, held off goal line stand

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12-01-2023 , 05:43 PM

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12-01-2023 , 06:25 PM

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Did not know Sports Illustrated still existed

well...they kinda don't
https://futurism.com/sports-illustra...erated-writers

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