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08-06-2010 , 06:47 PM
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Some fruity picks in this draft lately. It's time for a change.



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James Newell Osterberg... AKA Iggy Pop

Iggy hasn't sold 100 million records or hit the top of the charts 50 times, but his influence on rock music can hardly be overstated. As frontman of The Stooges, Iggy pioneered on stage antics such as the stage dive and smearing his body with blood and/or peanut butter. The Stooges albums The Stooges, Fun House, and Raw Power, while not commercial successes, are widely respected by critics and musicians alike and can easily be considered the beginning of garage rock and punk, amongst other genres.

According to allmusic.com, "every single punk band of the past and present has either knowingly or unknowingly borrowed a thing or two from Pop and his late-'60s/early-'70s band, the Stooges." While Iggy can't take all the credit for the acclaim the Stooges get, he was instrumental in shaping their sound and attitude.

After The Stooges disbanded in relative anonymity, Pop embarked on a successful solo career, including the acclaimed albums The Idiot and Lust for Life.

Iggy Pop basically fits my studio like a glove, which is why I think he's worth a pick here. He collaborated with David Bowie on his most successful solo works, and the two forged a friendship as Bowie essentially mentored Iggy and revitalized his career. Kurt Cobain frequently listed The Stooge's Raw Power as his favorite album of all time, and would probably enjoy collaborating with Iggy as a result. He gives my label another extremely influential rock music figure that will go well with my other members.

Some more Iggy/Stooges goodness:
Loose
I Wanna Be Your Dog
1969

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Iggy Pop
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08-06-2010 , 06:48 PM
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Agree w/Geddy. We're starting to enter the territory where a case can be made for so many different performers/musicians that are near equal value, that it's worth taking one of the handful of producers that are above and beyond the rest.

Maybe like in a fantasy baseball draft where guys like Mauer go early, then the next set of catchers go like 6 rounds later.
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08-06-2010 , 06:49 PM
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Iggy Pop told me & a friend to go f**k off on one occasion, true story.
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08-06-2010 , 06:50 PM
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yeah I am kind of at a loss how producers are super value at this point, since a lot of the top level talent produces their own music. Seems like singer/songwriters that can producer and have made hits >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> producers who have made hits. But whatever, ThaTuTosis is crushing this draft with ease and we still only have three picks.
Elite producers will help lift the value of singer/songwriters chosen later in the draft.
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08-06-2010 , 06:50 PM
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08-06-2010 , 06:51 PM
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Rat Studios is full of awesome
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08-06-2010 , 06:51 PM
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Elite producers will help lift the value of singer/songwriters chosen later in the draft.
I don't see any reason to think singers/songwriters who also produce their own music can't do the same.
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08-06-2010 , 06:52 PM
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SarcasticRat has locked down the market on cruise ship commercials now.
Those commercials pretty much ruined "Lust for Life" for me. Tragic imo, but all that heroin doesn't buy itself.
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08-06-2010 , 06:53 PM
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Trying to decide if I should take someone who's pretty massive over here (UK) and in other parts of the world, but seemingly hasn't made much of an impact in the States.
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I think the GOAT producers have much greater versatility in comparison to all but a few of the top singer/songwriter's who also produce.
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08-06-2010 , 06:57 PM
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I think the GOAT producers have much greater versatility in comparison to all but a few of the top singer/songwriter's who also produce.
there is one person who hasn't been taken yet that is what you describe. These other guys, I dunno man, don't see it. But it could be that I don't quite fully understand what they do. But from a value stand point, it seems like a waste to take solely a Producer right now, since you are passing on top singing/writing/etc talent.
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I was obviously looking to pick Eno in a round or two. Pretty sure we're going to be at war for the entire draft.
If I had a 5th round pick I might have passed on him here. As it stands I knew I wouldn't get a chance to take him.

Still interested in trading up though as there is a guy I want to add to my studio.
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08-06-2010 , 06:58 PM
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Nath, PM me for a trade.
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08-06-2010 , 06:58 PM
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Love the Iggy Pop pick. Guy was solid punk.


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the Specter pick was spew.
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Read the writeup and ED-YOO-CATE yo-self. So few people really know how valuable Spector was to dozens upon dozens of top 10 hits and landmark musical records. He had a hand in co-writing almost every song he produced, and he could play guitar, drums, piano, and bass.
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08-06-2010 , 07:03 PM
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there is one person who hasn't been taken yet that is what you describe. These other guys, I dunno man, don't see it. But it could be that I don't quite fully understand what they do. But from a value stand point, it seems like a waste to take solely a Producer right now, since you are passing on top singing/writing/etc talent.
The way I see it, and maybe I'm a little off, is that the great singer-songwriters who produce have the ability to make their musical vision a reality. The GOAT producers have the ability to do this for multiple great artists, across many styles. And more importantly, they can make good musicians/bands great through unbelievable production.
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08-06-2010 , 07:11 PM
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k, I gotta leave soon for a dinner date with a cute Greek lady so if I'm gone before it gets to me, Mr. Nath, the 2nd pick I had given to you after JPJ would be very appropriate here imo.
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And usually, when people discount the impact of a producer on a given record, that's usually the extent to which they don't really understand what a producer does.

Granted, some producers are more creatively involved than others, but for the GOATs like Spector, Eno, etc., they were tremendously valuable.

It might make sense to think of a music producer like a movie director. When you see Taxi Driver, it's not really De Niro's vision, even though he is the chief performer of the work. It's Scorsese driving the bus and creating a world in which De Niro can operate. Now pretend that, instead of Paul Schrader, it was De Niro and Scorsese collaborating on the script to Taxi Driver -- then you have an idea of how music records are made with great producers and musicians.
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08-06-2010 , 07:13 PM
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Spector's value is that he could some no name girls, give 'em the wall of sound treatment, and make a #1 hit out of it. He did t countless times. And they're damn good songs (I love that era of pop).

Not to keep beating on reed, but iggy was one of the 2 or 3 people I was talking about who were contemporaries of reed with much more value.
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08-06-2010 , 07:14 PM
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The way I see it, and maybe I'm a little off, is that the great singer-songwriters who produce have the ability to make their musical vision a reality. The GOAT producers have the ability to do this for multiple great artists, across many styles. And more importantly, they can make good musicians/bands great through unbelievable production.
I still don't see any reason to think they can't do this for other people. They know how to produce music and make it sound proper. I would think having more creative forces would be a good thing. Let them bounce ideas of each other as well. Put a replacement level normal producer to help them out, sounds good to me.
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08-06-2010 , 07:17 PM
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Read the writeup and ED-YOO-CATE yo-self. So few people really know how valuable Spector was to dozens upon dozens of top 10 hits and landmark musical records. He had a hand in co-writing almost every song he produced, and he could play guitar, drums, piano, and bass.
I'm pretty sure there are more than a few guys that can claim the same. Its not like were all not going to have producers that have plenty of top ten hits.
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08-06-2010 , 07:19 PM
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Mick Jagger is someone who I was referencing when having the debate about Bono being hugely undervalued. I really can't see why Bono should be higher rated than Jagger.
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08-06-2010 , 07:20 PM
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And usually, when people discount the impact of a producer on a given record, that's usually the extent to which they don't really understand what a producer does.

Granted, some producers are more creatively involved than others, but for the GOATs like Spector, Eno, etc., they were tremendously valuable.

It might make sense to think of a music producer like a movie director. When you see Taxi Driver, it's not really De Niro's vision, even though he is the chief performer of the work. It's Scorsese driving the bus and creating a world in which De Niro can operate. Now pretend that, instead of Paul Schrader, it was De Niro and Scorsese collaborating on the script to Taxi Driver -- then you have an idea of how music records are made with great producers and musicians.

I'm not arguing the importance of a producer. I'm arguing that the gap between #1 and #10-20 over the past 50 years isn't really all that big
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Assani, he shouldn't
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08-06-2010 , 07:22 PM
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I'm pretty sure there are more than a few guys that can claim the same. Its not like were all not going to have producers that have plenty of top ten hits.
And in the Hollywood draft, everyone had a director. But you can't compare Spielberg or Kubrick with Brett Ratner, even though Ratner's had $100 million+ hits.
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