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William Patrick "Billy" Corgan, Jr. (born March 17, 1967) is an American singer, songwriter, guitarist and occasional poet who is, along with undrafted, the founding member of The Smashing Pumpkins. Corgan started playing shows around Chicago, Illinois with guitarist undrafted, and a drum machine in 1987. The project quickly gained steam with the addition of undrafted and undrafted. In three years, The Smashing Pumpkins had transformed themselves into a major label success. Strong album sales and large-scale tours propelled the band's increasing fame, while undrafted's drug problems escalated until he had to be fired. The Pumpkins continued as a three-piece until undrafted rejoined the band in 1999, and the band broke up in 2000. Corgan started a new band with undrafted right away, called Zwan, and after their demise he released a solo album and a collection of poetry before setting his sights on reforming the Smashing Pumpkins.
The new version of that band, consisting of Corgan, undrafted, and a revolving tour lineup, released an album in 2007 and followed it with extensive touring over the next year and a half. Undrafted left the Smashing Pumpkins in March 2009, while Corgan continued on with a new lineup, currently recording the album Teargarden by Kaleidyscope and touring. He maintains a strong grass-roots following and is known to have direct communication with his fans.

I grew up a huge Nirvana fan, but I'd have to say that Siamese Dream is the best album of that era. Every track is simply amazing, and I don't know if I can think of a better back-to back-to back set of songs than Soma, Geek U.S.A., and Mayonaise. He then followed that up with Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, which garnered a ton of critical acclaim and popularity featuring songs like "Tonight, Tonight", "1979","Bullet With Butterfly Wings", and "Zero."

Many of you know I've been big on frontmen who do the great majority of the songwriting in this draft, and Corgan continues that philosophy:

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The direction of the band is dominated by chief guitarist, lead vocalist, and principal songwriter Billy Corgan. Journalist Greg Kot wrote, "The music [of The Smashing Pumpkins] would not be what it is without his ambition and vision, and his famously fractured relationships with his family, friends, and bandmembers."[6] Melissa Auf der Maur commented upon news of the group's reunion, "Everyone knows Billy doesn't need too many people to make a Pumpkins record"

Studio so far:

Paul McCartney
Lou Reed
Bob Marley
Tom Petty
Sam Cooke
Morrissey
Billy Corgan

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08-09-2010 , 08:54 PM

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Geddy Lee

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Jesus, I was getting ready to pick Billy.

Insanely sick pick for the 6th round. Biggest-selling band of the 90's to this day afaik.

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08-09-2010 , 08:55 PM

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tchaz

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Originally Posted by vixticator

I dunno if I should take person who makes some sense with my studio or just keep up with my diverse talent with my upcoming pick

Pav, Carey, Babyface, MJ, and Chuck D. Hmmm. Go for extreme vocal talent again imo. I mean, isn't Babyface pulling it all together anyway?

But, ldo curious to see who will make sense of the studio - will be a genius pick if they can pull if it off.

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08-09-2010 , 09:01 PM

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tchaz

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

Pick 111

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Finally - not finally. Probably a good pick, - i'm not a huge fan and the band never meant anything to me and bigger there than here, tbh, so unfortunately I'm a poor judge here.

I am, however, amazed that people in these bands are being picked before undrafted who was in what I always understood to be their direct antecessor.

[Shout at me, plz, ppl, if that's too explicit]

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08-09-2010 , 09:03 PM

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Wrane

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrivjzw0RlI

^Best SP song.

Nice pick. I'm not too familiar with Corgan but I really like the Smashing Pumpkins and the last quote in your writeup, if according to wiki, seems like he's a big part of that.

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08-09-2010 , 09:03 PM

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Geddy Lee

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According to who you believe, Billy plays every instrument outside of the drums on just about every single Pumpkins album.

As big a control freak as he is, the man is a genius. I really can't reiterate how good I think that pick is at this point.

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08-09-2010 , 09:05 PM

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I definitely don't consider myself a Pumpkins fan, but thats a good pick.

I do like this song a ton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg8q8WTkDY8&feature=av2e

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08-09-2010 , 09:06 PM

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vixticator

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Originally Posted by Geddy Lee

Jesus, I was getting ready to pick Billy.

Insanely sick pick for the 6th round. Biggest-selling band of the 90's to this day afaik.

Really? Wow.

Smashing Pumpkins have a lot of songs I like, don't love any of their albums all the way through without skipping quite a few songs though. If they made Mellon Collie into one album and cut out the waste it would be one of the best albums of the 90s.

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08-09-2010 , 09:06 PM

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Geddy Lee

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsZYq...eature=related

The quintessential Pumpkins song, imo.

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08-09-2010 , 09:07 PM

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Just my personal opinion but....

Cobain > Corgan > Vedder > Cornell

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08-09-2010 , 09:08 PM

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vixticator

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Originally Posted by tchaz

Pav, Carey, Babyface, MJ, and Chuck D. Hmmm. Go for extreme vocal talent again imo. I mean, isn't Babyface pulling it all together anyway?

That's basically what I'm going for, vocal talent. Not sure if Chuck D qualifies lol but I couldn't figure out why he hadn't been picked yet so I just took him.

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08-09-2010 , 09:14 PM

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Wrane

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Originally Posted by Geddy Lee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsZYq...eature=related

The quintessential Pumpkins song, imo.

YESSSSSSSSSS!

i'm going to spend all day re-listening to the Pumpkins now.

here's some more favourites:

ROCK BAND/GUITAR HERO Classic - Today

Watchmen theme song! - The Beginning is the End of the Beginning

Zero

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08-09-2010 , 09:14 PM

#2813

private joker

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Originally Posted by tchaz

I am, however, amazed that people in these bands are being picked before undrafted who was in what I always understood to be their direct antecessor.

I know who you're talking about, and he''ll be drafted soon I'm sure. I think the argument some people might make is that the first isn't always the best. Sometimes the proteges turn out better than the mentors.

You wouldn't have Kubrick without Abel Gance or Sergei Eisenstein, but Kubrick was better, etc.

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08-09-2010 , 09:16 PM

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Spoiler:

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08-09-2010 , 09:17 PM

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Needle77

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Hahaha, I was listening to the Ramones earlier and was wondering why he hadn't been picked yet. Awesome.

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08-09-2010 , 09:19 PM

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I am on wikipedia checking out the Ramones. And then I come here and see this. Awesome.

Last edited by Wrane; 08-09-2010 at 09:22 PM. Reason: eh oh, let's go

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08-09-2010 , 09:19 PM

#2817

vixticator

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I have no idea who tch or pj talking about, well maybe

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08-09-2010 , 09:19 PM

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tchaz

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Originally Posted by vixticator

That's basically what I'm going for, vocal talent. Not sure if Chuck D qualifies lol but I couldn't figure out why he hadn't been picked yet so I just took him.

yeah - Chuck D was pretty vocal iirc

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08-09-2010 , 09:21 PM

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tchaz

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Originally Posted by private joker

I know who you're talking about, and he''ll be drafted soon I'm sure. I think the argument some people might make is that the first isn't always the best. Sometimes the proteges turn out better than the mentors.

You wouldn't have Kubrick without undrafted or Sergei Eisenstein, but Kubrick was better, etc.

you had me until the bold

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08-09-2010 , 09:22 PM

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I'm a big ramones fan, bit I'm not sure if Joey shoulda been the first ramone picked.

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08-09-2010 , 09:24 PM

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vixticator

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No idea how credit was split among The Ramones, as a group they would go a lot earlier obv

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08-09-2010 , 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kidcolin

I'm a big ramones fan, bit I'm not sure if Joey shoulda been the first ramone picked.

They split a lot of songwriting credit, but I think Joey's vocals + frontman qualities make him the pick.

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08-09-2010 , 09:27 PM

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Maybe I'm getting too cute. Joey is definitely an icon. Personally, I would have gone another direction.

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08-09-2010 , 09:28 PM

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I <} the Ramones, but also they are a key band I think, really much more influential than The Stooges (who were always being resuscitated imo) and than the other NY bands who wre their contemporaries. This wasn't on my "list re Needle" but I think it's a good pick - only worry is as usual about how important the other band members were.

"undrafted, Joey, undrafted: good times" as undrafted sang

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08-09-2010 , 09:30 PM

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I mostly just think the singing + iconic frontman aspect is way harder to replace than the instrumentalists and even the songwriting. I could be way off though.

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