Yeah I think you're right.

It wasn't like Joey didn't do his share of the writing. Of the songs he included in the writeup Joey wrote (solo) I Wanna Be Sedated and Sheena is a Punk Rocker.

I think that's pretty reasonable generally. I never saw the Ramones live, so maybe I'm very off the ball here, but... But in the case of the Ramones I think the thing that is iconic is their collective identify at "The Ramones" - "Three chord wonders", "pinhead rockers", ... The lyrics usually (intentionally) weren't personalized either emotionally or, eg, like Strummer, politically. One gets generic satires on teenage angst at most.

That's a positive artistically: it's (in part) pointing out the boringness of the whole sub-Romantic aesthetic of post Dylan/Sgt Pepper pop songs, and parodying pre Sgt-Pepper Tin Pan Alley/Beatles/Beach Boys simultaneously.

The weakness of the premise of this draft (and we're seeing this over and over) is that it takes the sensitive poet/guitarist-creator or emotional channeller/entertainer-troubadour as the nec plus ultra of music.

For me The Ramones were hugely important for always standing against that. (And, btw, i'm a huge sucker for that sub-Romo ****, so it's a great wake-me-up against it.) That's why I'm hoping that your next 3 picks are determined by that one.

(No not really. And when are you going to take the Sarcastic Rat?)

Rat's pick of one of the Ramones gives me an excuse to re-post the greatest pop punk song ever recorded.

dunno mate. 'that a meme you hipsters post? lost tbf

I disagree...I think an undrafted guitar player made a lot of Corgan's decent & good stuff great, and Corgan's work has been less than stellar since undrafted left the band.

Well at least we can all agree that D'arcy Wretzky is basically worthless to that band, lol.

Cobain about equal to Corgan slightly more than Vedder roughly equal to Cornell.

lol. He's commenting on the fact that your heart looks like an acorn.

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:blush: ty :toppa:

it def does something for me. makes me want to gouge my ears out as fast as possible.

From the same performance, I was going to post his version of My Girl had I drafted him.

Man, I really wanted Otis in this round. He is so incredible.

those non-conventional time signatures must really **** with your head

agreed on smiths and morissey. just ugh. dunno what it is about their music.

vedder is a redic amount better than cornell.

+1 to The Smiths hatred. I don't get it and Morrissey seems to think anyone who doesn't is subhuman.

Tool can create some unreal sounds. The only weak spot with them is some of their lyrics are a bit cringeworthy. Lateralus is their only album that I think is extremely awesome all the way through. Aenima almost does it but not quite as tight. 10k Days did nothing for me after about 4 listens so I haven't gone back to it. Undertow is pretty good too. Hmm guess I like them more than I thought?

could proly argue he belongs like top 5 due to the not dying rules. he pretty much created rocknroll and influenced had a lot of influence on the beattles dylan and like every other great artist.

ya i htink this is my favorite sp song. i like pumpkins a lot but think they were a bit overrated for most of their run. proly went about where they should in this draft.

based on? show your work...

based on my ears.

also, pearl jam was a lot more successful iirc

That's lovely. I also love the Undrafteds version. But I would point out: Writer(s): Smokey Robinson & Ronald White. Hats off to Geddy for taking the value when he did. But #75? C'mon. Seriously?

time for some guy from GY!BE imo if just for the writeup and the youtube

Meh, Smoky was a great pick @75 but it isn't like Otis wasn't an awesome writer too and clearly the better performer 28 picks later.

/edit not saying Otis has more value, just that I think they were both good picks when they went (obv. thats why we picked Otis)