Ortiz, Babalu and Randy are not jokes, not sure what you are talking about.

To answer Assani, both of Rampage's wins over Chuck are extremely good wins and I would say occurred in or around Chuck's prime.

To me, Chuck is over Wandy because of the quality of his early wins. You have to remember how much Tito ducked Chuck like crazy to accurately asses his 'title reign'. Tito won his championship at UFC 25 and first defended it at 29. At that point, Chuck was already 6-1 overall and 3-1 in the UFC, and they should have fought. Tito defended FIVE more times in the next two years without facing Chuck somehow. Chuck destroyed a who's who in MMA and fought better competition while Tito was champ than Tito did. While Tito was champ, from UFC 29-40, Chuck fought and beat Monson, Mezger, Randleman, Bustamante, Suloev, Belfort, Babalu and Overeem. He also lost to Randy for the first time.

I don't think people are getting how amazing that run was from UFC 29-40. Almost every guy on that list was in his prime or near it.

Wandy's run isn't quite as impressive to me because while there are numerous awesome wins, there are also a ton of cans. He went 3.5 years and 18 fights without losing right? Well two of those were draws, so let's focus on the 16 wins. Minowa, Yoshida, Kanehara, Iwasaki, Tamura, Otsuka, Oyama and Medina were all utter cans/garbage. So that's really 8 wins that we can look at. Mezger, Henderson, Saku the first two times were all good fights. 4 good ones. Saku the third time is not really a great win. Both wins over Rampage are good, and the Kondo win is pretty good.

So out of that awesome 3.5 year, 18 fight stretch, you emerge with 7 good wins, 2 draws, a win over a broken Sakuraba for a third time, and 8 destructions of massive cans. It's not quite the streak that people make it out to be, and I think Chuck's total body of work is more impressive than Wandy's.

Neither are Jeremy Horn and Vernon White.

Chuck didn't dominate a division full of hacks.

pretty great season of TUF imo

Shogun's 2005 run blows any single year run out of the water.

Closest might be Anderson Silva's 2007.

RE: TUF

Chuck is awesome.

2nd time I've seen Vernon White mentioned, can somebody explain to me what I'm missing about White? Coming into his fight with Chuck he was 0-3-1 in his previous 4 fights.

Just remembered a very comparable fight that didn't sell well at all, Forrest Griffin vs. Tito Ortiz 2, it sold between 330k-370k PPVs. Forrest is the golden boy of the UFC and usually draws well but against Tito Ortiz a fighter that is supposed to be well known to the casual fan base but irrelevant as far as title contention goes the fight did poorly. Also Forrest was coming off of back to back losses including being brutalized by Anderson Silva, so nobody was fooled into thinking he was a legite contender.

The casual MMA fan isn't nearly as dumb as you seem to think, they aren't just going to put 50 bucks down because they heard of 2 fighters. Chuck vs. Tito would've done about as many sales as Forrest and Tito. Also look at the crappy PPV #s for Randy Cotoure and Mark Coleman, that also didn't break 400k and that was the first fight ever between UFC Hall of Famers.

Here's the link for Forrst/Tito 2: http://www.mmaconvert.com/2009/12/03...per-view-buys/

Couldn't find an actual count for Randy/Coleman but estimates were at 385k which is very low.

his draw vs crocop may very well be the most impressive fight of his career. that was huge for his reputation.

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This doesn't include Shogun/Machida and Rashad/Rampage which I think did ~560k and ~960k respectively. Shows the power of TUF and obviously Rampage is the biggest draw of the 4.

The most interesting is Nog/Cain which did ~850k according to this graph. It blew away the GSP card and really blew away the BJ Penn card. Maybe it taking place in Australia had something to do with it.

Nog/Cain actually did horrible #s. If that graph is showing 850k then it's wrong, it actually did less than 300k and is the worst selling UFC PPV in some time.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/3/11...art-2-ufc-110s

hmm, was counting the dots after the peak which was obviously UFC 100

anyone have a chart showing the numbers for each? googling each one separately is annoying

anyone know why Chael Sonnen seems on a road to geting everyone to dislike him? issit just solely to sell ppv's...do the amount of ppv's sold affect the amount a fighter is paid?

He's a republican running for office - being devoid of reality is a job requirement.

It could, there are guys who get PPV percentage, I'm not sure who exactly does but I've heard Rampage does and I can't imagine Brock and GSP not getting a PPV cut.

Rampage, GSP and Lesnar are said to have PPV bonuses in their contracts.

Contract info is never released by ZUFFA, so we can't be sure about other fighters.

Pretty sure Chael does not have PPV bonuses. Would be shocked if he did.

I'm pretty sure the PPV guys are Lesnar, Couture, Griffin, Rampage, Liddell, Ortiz, A Silva, Franklin, GSP, Hughes and BJ Penn. Possibly also Machida, Rua, Evans, Mir. That's just a preliminary list. Mainly it's going to be champions and former champions.

you're forgetting heith herring in your list, sir.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlHMQ...eature=related

Anybody actually looking forward to the Liddell/Franklin fight? I think Franklin is going to give Chuck a pretty lopsided but entertaining beatdown and win a UD. It's weird I think this fight will be a good one but I have no interest in ordering the PPV. The fight I most wanted to see was Tyson Griffin/Evan Dunham and that's going to be free on Spike so no need to shell out 45 bucks.

I think this weekends card has the potential to be one of the better ones this year as far as pure fights go. Although, I'm going so maybe I'm trying to hype myself up.

I actually agree, the fights look like they will be very entertaining just not a lot of fights that are between legit contenders. You can make the argument pretty easily that Thiago is the only top 10 fighter on the card. It reminds of UFC 108 in that I didn't decided until the last minute to order the card because it looked pretty weak and by the time things were done it was a very good card and may have been the most entertaining event the UFC has put on so far this year.

The fights should mostly all be very entertaining, so I can definitely get people liking this card, but it doesn't do anything for me personally. I prefer boring fights that have huge impacts on the rankings than exciting fights. Just my preference.