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07-15-2015 , 11:55 AM
Here's a good, quick analysis of how McGOAT was balancing his kick ranges to set up body shots on Mendes. It's on dailymotion tho

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2y...e-tricks_sport

Mir-Duffee tonight, Bisping-Leites this weekend.

Dillashaw-Barao 2 in a couple of weeks. Here's their first fight:

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07-15-2015 , 12:01 PM
2+2 on mcgregor nuts harder than sherdoggers, god damn. I love mcgregor as much as the next man but come on people let's not forget aldo one of the best kickboxers in mma. Aldo will land those round house kicks & conor can only take so much, someone plz post a video of aldo fight vs faber to show the destructive power of them leg kicks, that was the wec days when he actually was nasty n went after the finish.
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07-15-2015 , 12:15 PM
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07-15-2015 , 12:24 PM
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Here's a good, quick analysis of how McGOAT was balancing his kick ranges to set up body shots on Mendes. It's on dailymotion tho

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2y...e-tricks_sport

Mir-Duffee tonight, Bisping-Leites this weekend.

Dillashaw-Barao 2 in a couple of weeks. Here's their first fight:

Excellent analysis. When you combine his clarity and range of shots he is just so far ahead of everyone standing. It's the same in every fight, opponents are totally confused from the get go. Even the kicks that don't land, they set it all up as people don't know where the next one is coming from. Aldo just doesn't have as many shots and is nowhere near as precise in his selection. Bang bang Aldo machine-gun-style with no knock out power. That just won't work v Conor. This is not Mendes or Faber or Edgar, all small guys who can't really punch and are beefed up to make weight. This is a 165 guy with superior reach and power who will be using all four limbs to attack with precision. Mendes threw one kick the other night. Such a waste of two limbs, the two strongest in the body. McGregor is on another planet to the little guys and poor strikers Aldo has been outpointing over 25 minutes. How many kicks did any of them even try to land on Aldo? It will be a totally different ball game v Conor.
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07-15-2015 , 12:31 PM
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Okay, maybe the worse music ever hhahahah, but them leg kicks from hell!!!, gluck conor mcgregor.
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07-15-2015 , 12:35 PM
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LOL

Okay, so he lands 31 vicious kicks. 3 of them were low kicks with the left. 2 or 3 were high with the right and the other 25 were low kicks with the right.

Faber is small with an orthodox stance and so was easy fodder for those kicks, Aldos best weapon. McGregors southpaw stance will largely negate those low kicks. Also with Conors reach advantage and array of attacking options, Aldo will be nowhere near as close as he was to Faber to try and land.

As I said, he is one dimensional with his kicks. It's like a guy who 3 bets every hand v weak opponents because it works. When he comes against a strong balanced opponent it will no longer work. Aldo has superb TDD and so has been able to stand and out strike weak strikers for years. Now he is up v a dynamic and powerful striker and he will be blown away. Mark my words
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07-15-2015 , 12:39 PM
Conor is probably going to try and counter the legs kicks by pressuring Aldo. That will put Aldo's knees and elbows vs Conor's boxing. If that doesn't work and Jose wins the pressure war Conor might have to back up and Jose can open up with leg kicks. Should be a fun fight.
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07-15-2015 , 12:47 PM
The thing with McGOAT is that even if you neutralize his right jab, left hook, right low kick, AND left snap kick, he can still use his beard as an extra limb to outstrike most opponents.
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07-15-2015 , 12:56 PM
Faber is also a midget. Aldo could stand right in front of him and land those. Every time he wants to try to land a leg kick on McGregor he's going to be opening up the threat of eating a left hand down the pipe.
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07-15-2015 , 01:54 PM
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2+2 on mcgregor nuts harder than sherdoggers, god damn. I love mcgregor as much as the next man but come on people let's not forget aldo one of the best kickboxers in mma. Aldo will land those round house kicks & conor can only take so much, someone plz post a video of aldo fight vs faber to show the destructive power of them leg kicks, that was the wec days when he actually was nasty n went after the finish.
The irony here is that in reality he took his foot off the gas. It's one of the few fights where it seemed like one guy respected the other and didn't want to put him away or something else was at play.

The last few rounds he stopped punishing him to the same degree

I wanted to make sure my memory was correct so I just looked it up

Power leg strikes round by round;

1: 3 of 3
2: 9 of 9
3: 8 of 8
4: 4 of 4
5: 1 of 2

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2010/08/...ic-report.html
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07-15-2015 , 03:58 PM
The poor mcgregor doubters. That was a cool breakdown video, thanks. Upon rewatch I had a much different feeling about the fight too. I had thought mendes was dominating. He was basically dead in the first round after that 2nd and third kick and got progressively worse. He could hardly breath while on top in the second. Think mcgregor was kinda stunned he could even muster the strength to have those flurries of punches and takedowns. Never would he of lasted or knocked out mcgregor. Conor just had to be patient and be careful of a submission.

Also, up on the feet in the first. Conor was controlling the whole thing Mendes basically being hearded like a sheep into the corner. He landed some good knocks but conor was just hunting him with no fear at all.
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07-15-2015 , 08:13 PM
"Never would he have KOed Conor." Mcgregor "herding" Mendes by walking forward and getting lit up. just lol

Mcgregor was incredibly lucky not to have been KOed. Yes he has a chin, but Mendes can KO anyone and he was getting the better of most of the standing exchanges before he was gassed. So much luck involved in eating those punches and not being crumpled despite RESULTS. People who think he's just gonna walk in and win the standup like that against Aldo are in for a rude awakening imo.

Youtube the fight. It's like super obvious what happened. Mendes came in super out of shape and figured his best chance was to sell out for the finish if he thought there was an opportunity.

The fight starts with Conor going for a ridiculous flying knee and getting dumped on his ass. Then Mendes goes ham trying to finish him for the next minute and clearly gasses. In the first 44 seconds of the fight Mendes dumps Conor then nearly TKOs him, then stands up and wins about 3 straight exchanges, almost KOing him twice before he really slows down. at 4:16 is the first time Conor "lands" a kick (or anything at all) at this point Mendes has already blown his wad and Conor lucked out. Mendes is now visibly out of breath, his reactions are slowed down and his footwork is done. At 4:10 Mendes catches one of his front kicks, then holds it up in the air for a couple of seconds and then just drops it because he's already too tired to attack. That's when Conor starts connecting, but fit Mendes would have tossed him there.

In related thoughts I also strongly suspect that most of the McGregor slappies have never even watched Mendes before. I mean look at this quote. LOOK AT IT:

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To be fair to Mendes, he is like Aldo in that he will never really have top class cardio
WAT.

Eye test apparently tells you Conor is a megaelite striker because all he has faced is the absolute worst professional fighters available and a Chad Mendes that was very clearly gassed. Now all of a sudden people making these absurd comments about it wasn't the fact that he had zero training camp that caused him to move like molasses with his mouth hanging open it was Conor's unprecedented stomach kicks. Check it out, he's a genius, he kicks low then he kicks high! And people making these lol proclamations like "you don't gas that early unless body kicks" have no idea what they are talking about.

There isn't a single championship caliber fighter who would fight as badly as Conor does. He eats way too many punches and against an even quicker striker like Aldo he will get destroyed. He also has zero TDD. I guess he's gonna be the first ever true Champ in the modern era to hold that distinction? Or he's just holding off becoming an elite wrestler because GSP. That first 44 seconds he got absolutely embarrassed and that's the pace Mendes can put on for a full five rounds when fully fit. I suggest people rewatch the beginning of the first to get a glimpse of what Aldo will do.

I don't even hate Conor honestly, he's a super exciting fighter to watch because he has a flashy aggressive style and makes for exciting fights. But he's like Nick Diaz in that he's self-promoted himself to a comically undeserved position and is now being favored against maybe the first or second best pound for pound fighter on the planet who "will have no answer for Conor on his feet." Mendes has an EIGHT inch reach disadvantage and still was a noticeably better striker before Conor's magical leg kicks zapped all of his energy right after he coincidentally went all out for the KO. But yeah all these midgets like Aldo and his 3 inch reach disadvantage and vastly superior everything can't touch him.

I honestly feel like he's not in the same class as Edgar, Mendes or Aldo let alone a favorite against them and the world has lost it's mind.

edit - tl;dr Conor super lucky, gonna get murked by Aldo

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07-15-2015 , 08:42 PM
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"Never would he have KOed Conor." Mcgregor "herding" Mendes by walking forward and getting lit up. just lol

Mcgregor was incredibly lucky not to have been KOed. Yes he has a chin, but Mendes can KO anyone and he was getting the better of most of the standing exchanges before he was gassed. So much luck involved in eating those punches and not being crumpled despite RESULTS. People who think he's just gonna walk in and win the standup like that against Aldo are in for a rude awakening imo.

Youtube the fight. It's like super obvious what happened. Mendes came in super out of shape and figured his best chance was to sell out for the finish if he thought there was an opportunity.

The fight starts with Conor going for a ridiculous flying knee and getting dumped on his ass. Then Mendes goes ham trying to finish him for the next minute and clearly gasses. In the first 44 seconds of the fight Mendes dumps Conor then nearly TKOs him, then stands up and wins about 3 straight exchanges, almost KOing him twice before he really slows down. at 4:16 is the first time Conor "lands" a kick (or anything at all) at this point Mendes has already blown his wad and Conor lucked out. Mendes is now visibly out of breath, his reactions are slowed down and his footwork is done. At 4:10 Mendes catches one of his front kicks, then holds it up in the air for a couple of seconds and then just drops it because he's already too tired to attack. That's when Conor starts connecting, but fit Mendes would have tossed him there.

In related thoughts I also strongly suspect that most of the McGregor slappies have never even watched Mendes before. I mean look at this quote. LOOK AT IT:



WAT.

Eye test apparently tells you Conor is a megaelite striker because all he has faced is the absolute worst professional fighters available and a Chad Mendes that was very clearly gassed. Now all of a sudden people making these absurd comments about it wasn't the fact that he had zero training camp that caused him to move like molasses with his mouth hanging open it was Conor's unprecedented stomach kicks. Check it out, he's a genius, he kicks low then he kicks high! And people making these lol proclamations like "you don't gas that early unless body kicks" have no idea what they are talking about.

There isn't a single championship caliber fighter who would fight as badly as Conor does. He eats way too many punches and against an even quicker striker like Aldo he will get destroyed. He also has zero TDD. I guess he's gonna be the first ever true Champ in the modern era to hold that distinction? Or he's just holding off becoming an elite wrestler because GSP. That first 44 seconds he got absolutely embarrassed and that's the pace Mendes can put on for a full five rounds when fully fit. I suggest people rewatch the beginning of the first to get a glimpse of what Aldo will do.

I don't even hate Conor honestly, he's a super exciting fighter to watch because he has a flashy aggressive style and makes for exciting fights. But he's like Nick Diaz in that he's self-promoted himself to a comically undeserved position and is now being favored against maybe the first or second best pound for pound fighter on the planet who "will have no answer for Conor on his feet." Mendes has an EIGHT inch reach disadvantage and still was a noticeably better striker before Conor's magical leg kicks zapped all of his energy right after he coincidentally went all out for the KO. But yeah all these midgets like Aldo and his 3 inch reach disadvantage and vastly superior everything can't touch him.

I honestly feel like he's not in the same class as Edgar, Mendes or Aldo let alone a favorite against them and the world has lost it's mind.

edit - tl;dr Conor super lucky, gonna get murked by Aldo
So Mendes had the better of it standing? Thank you for pointing that out.

Great post. I actually love you.

Deluded opinions like yours remind me why I will never work again so long as ill informed money like yours floods in.

Ah the good life.

EDIT: FTR my cardio comment is totally legit. You put Mendes, McGregor & Aldo in a 5k track race and Conor laps them more and more the further it goes. Put them in a 400m race and Aldo likely wins. Have a standing lifting comp and Chad likely wins. Conor is built like a middle or long distance runner. Chad like a midget sprinter and Aldo like a 400/800m runner. There is no amount of juice or cardio training that can ever change this and give them as much stamina as McGregor. It's why the mountain guys in the Tour De France are less muscular and get eaten in the sprints and the skinny sprinters get eaten in the mountains. The sprinters train hard and still have great cardio (like Mendes or Aldo) but not World class cardio and can never compete with the guys gentically built for stamina. It's impossible to be World class at both. Genetics. Fast twitch and slow twitch fibers. Skinny Kenyans win distance races and muscular African Americans win 100m races. And even with his poor stamina, poor old Chad was gassed inside a minute? Totally out of shape? The body kicks had nothing to do with it? Even if you were right then how embarrassing is that for Mendes? A pro athlete who doesn't bother training to keep his cardio up year round? lol If he was that out of shape he didn't deserve to be champion.

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07-15-2015 , 09:36 PM
Mendes tagged conor a few times but in no way shape or form was he getting the better of the striking exchanges, not sure what the hell you were watching.
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07-15-2015 , 10:39 PM
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Even if you were right then how embarrassing is that for Mendes? A pro athlete who doesn't bother training to keep his cardio up year round? lol
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07-15-2015 , 11:13 PM
^^ Thick, solid & tight, don't hate homie, .
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07-16-2015 , 01:03 AM
Why is CM's cardio considered so great? How is he built like a a distance runner?

McGregor has 1 career right past end of round 2 and 0 fights that went past round 3.
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07-16-2015 , 02:40 AM
i do believe the standup was very close to even in the first round.

Conor took the bigger shots at that point imo. Mendes wouldve knocked out a few of the contenders with those. (and knocked down aldo with one).

I think stamina, chin and volume all went to McGregor, but he definitely got caught. His night coudlve ended if we didnt suddenly learn that Oh, Conor also has a good chin. Neat.
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07-16-2015 , 04:36 AM
Robbie Lawler ($150,000 + $150,000 = $300,000) def. Rory MacDonald ($59,000)


Is it worth $59,000 to get ur skull bashed in by ruthless robbie lawler. for ufc 189 popularity and this being one of the better fights, that is not a lot of money for the damage incurred.

hendricks vs lawler iii going to happen next.
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07-16-2015 , 07:31 AM
5=2+2 wins the argument by a mile... I agree on nearly all points and the fight should be capped at -200 McGregor at the very minimum. Aldo has far more to prove against south paws (and he is sorely lacking in them to train with at Nova Uniao) than McGregor does against righty muay thai brawlers. I also am quite glad people have these opinions as I shall also never work again as a result.

The reason Chad gassed was because he was scared/befuddled by a pressure fighter the likes of which he had never seen before. Your body/mind use ridiculous amounts of energy when they are in danger mode. Everyone who trains at a high level understands this, yet it seems to be an amazing mystery to the fans.
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07-16-2015 , 07:40 AM
i had no idea everyone made a living betting on the UFC!
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07-16-2015 , 07:49 AM
I don't bet any other sports but it's tough to see how any other could be more profitable. Just read any MMA forum for scores of poorly informed opinions of people willing to put their money where their mouth is. It's like 2006 in poker.
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07-16-2015 , 07:56 AM
and the best part is you can know super quickly with absolute certainty that you're a winner because there's so many fights and next to no variance!

(heh ok i'll stop trolling because wtf do i know, but i will always take these comments with a fistful of salt)
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07-16-2015 , 08:19 AM
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and the best part is you can know super quickly with absolute certainty that you're a winner because there's so many fights and next to no variance!

(heh ok i'll stop trolling because wtf do i know, but i will always take these comments with a fistful of salt)
There is next to none... if you have the roll and are able to place large bets on the right fights. I will give a hint to prospective bettors; most of the money is to be made due to the fact certain favorites' chances, especially the intelligent fighters, are grossly underrated. A perfect example is Sean Strickland vs. Araujo last night... barring a blown knee he couldn't have lost.
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07-16-2015 , 09:32 AM
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i had no idea everyone made a living betting on the UFC!
No one said they did. Personally I meant in general the over weighted opinions are what make any book for any event, UFC or otherwise. This is the case today, tomorrow and forever. The guy ITT saying Mendes was winning the stand up is as dumb as if someone had claimed McGregor won the ground battle. Such opinions, of which there are plenty due to bias, hate etc etc, lead to skewed books.

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