sadly, there is some truth behind what he's saying. LHW has not been an incredibly skilled division, fighters with obvious holes in their games are able to be elite.

Anderson's dominance at 205 over Forrest was as, if not more, dominant than any of Jones' victories over LHW elites.

And it wouldn't be so incredibly easy for Jones to implement Sonnen's strategy, Sonnen is a much better wrestler than Jones (despite the size disadvantage) and there is no way Jones could keep up the pace Sonnen did once on the ground.


I think Silva is a better striker than Machida, and Machida was able to match Jones striking. Jones certainly has the advantage in the clinch and wrestling, but I think Silva's advantage, especially at 205, in cardio makes the fight pretty interesting. Silva has clearly the best odds of any non-HW vs Jones.

Even if you think LHW is weak these days, its still without debate more competitive then ****ing MW. This is coming from a huge Anderson fan that doesn't like Jones (but doesn't pretend hes not a beast)

go ahead run that game. silva is a savant and it's obvious.

LHW has been more competitive because there wasn't been a dominant fighter like GSP or Silva until a year ago.

Wait, you guys really think Jones is a favorite vs all the current HW? If I read that correctly, that's hilarious.

Overeem would and should be a big favorite.

Jones wins by having a license to fight.

This is just dumb, do some research first

Watch the fight again there are so many holes in Jones game, striking for the most part Anderson would pick him apart. His timing and accuracy are the best in MMA. If the fight went to the ground, that's fine too remember Anderson has beat the best ground game fighters if not the best in the UFC "demian maia" hands down best BJJ fighter in the game, Chael Sonnen best wrestling in the game and Dan Henderson is a great wrestler too. 2-3 of the best ground fighters in the world submitted by the spider. Think about this more don't jump on Jons nuts like Anderson is washed up his last two fights were very impressive 2 first round KO's that made his opponents look like new born babies. Jon Jones is good very good but is he on Anderson's level? not really...

Wow, you really made me think with this. Well argued.

Silva vs Jones would be an excellent fight, there's no denying that. Jones could very well win. But if you think that he'd come out like a bat out of hell and beat up on anderson (or win easily in any capacity), then you are putting too much stock in the weight difference. There probably aren't many heavyweights, if any that would have an easy time with anderson.

I think Silva would give Jones a better fight than most, but you are going too far illside
in a fight there never went to the ground
and both guys took down Silva and beat on him for a while
neither Sonnen nor Henderson are particularly good at sub defense, and Maia was not subbed by Anderson.

Jones' size and skills probably give him the advantage over Anderson in the clinch and on the ground

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=267i7rKeECA - Im sure a lot of you have seen this but it's worth posting.

Machida also has much better TDD than Silva, and Jones didn't have much trouble getting Machida to the ground when he worked at it.

Machida was on the mat for 20-30 seconds in a near 10 minute fight vs Jones. And I don't think it is a given than Machida has much better TDD than Silva.

It don't matter if you got beat up for awhile, its about winning they both got submitted. In BJJ you have to be patient and wait for the right opportunity also look at both Chael and Silva after the fight you cant til Anderson was in a fight but Chael looked like he got gang raped. Jacked on roids and all anyone can talk about is how well he did vs Silva who cares how well he did if they were on a street somewhere Sonnen would be crippled or dead today. There is no ref to stop Silva from taking his arm as a trophy. Anderson did more damage from his back than Chael did with his pillow fist ground and pound action. Never was Anderson in trouble or hurt badly that you thought the fight might be stopped. Anderson dropped Chael twice with strikes in that fight too.

Reminder:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=hnHCUz4punY Jones would win in the clinch hahahha lolz Anderson has the best clinch in UFC

lol @ Silva patiently waiting vs getting beat up for 20+ minutes vs Sonnen.

because that matters.
on the street silva is probably the one crippled or dead, much nicer to have your head and back driven into a springed canvas than concrete, but it is a UFC title fight, what would happen on the street is irrelevant
I recall Silva dropping Sonnen once and Sonnen dropping Silva two or three times with strikes.

You don't actually think the Greco clinch and the MT clinch are the same do you?

Chael never dropped Anderson with a strike in the fight

Did I say they were the same?

Facts are facts he submitted them both so wtf does it matter. Plain and simple they got beat and not by a decision he finished them. Duh game over stop arguing with someone who knows a hell of a lot more than you ever will about the fight game........ Anderson is on another level than Jones and that's obvious too. Jones has a lot to fix before he can be P4P better than Anderson. I boxed from the time I was 17 til 3 years ago when I began GJJ I am 28 now. I see things the average viewer don't understand or see. I don't see hype like most of you, am I impressed with Jon yes is he a prodigy probably, could he beat Anderson I don't think so, will they ever fight no are they even in the same weight class no. The point is you jumped on the band wagon before it even took off. We are talking about a guy who has giving some of the greatest submissions and KO's in UFC history against top level opposition, a guy who holds the record for most title defenses in the history of the UFC. I am done with the discussion it is draining me. Its sad to see perhaps the greatest fighter of all time get tossed aside because a younger lanky freak athlete who gets by on his size and reach with half the skill be considered so "great" before the greatest even retired.

no one is arguing that jones is greater than silva or that jones is better p4p...

26:00 min in sums it all up.

As someone who is a massive Anderson fan, and trains 4-5 times a week, Jones would lose a round in the stand up, and take Anderson down and smash him. Thats reality. Anderson has been taken down by much worse, smaller wrestlers, and hes not ****ing submitting Jones off his back.