That happens to legit punters though, too.

I kind of dig the idea. It's similar to trying to control distance on a lob wedge as opposed to a 7 iron. With the 7iron you just take a full swing all the time.

Shouldn't be hard to find a guy on a roster of 53 incredible athletes who can punt a ball high and exactly 40 yards every time.

Shouldn't be hard to find a guy who throws a fastball 90 mph on the outside black every time, yet there hasn't been one either

Does anyone agree with this....

Late game, Packers are in redzone 1st and 10 up by 8. run, run, run...

You virtually have no chance of getting a first down here, and the risk of fumbling is too high. Everyone is going to strip that ball with everything they got. I would take the line knee, knee, knee, FG. 3 yards is not gonna make a difference to Crosby in the redzone. I usually favor aggression but not in these spots.

Wild-ass guess but I'd say the chance of getting a first down in 3 runs there is around 30%, especially with ATL going all out to strip the ball. Also with the yard you lose on each kneeldown the average yardage difference is probably something like 8 for kneeling down vs. running. And you burn about 15 more seconds off the clock by running.

Not that any of that is going through McCarthy's head.

What? These aren't close to similar. Besides that, a punter doesn't lose value if he can't punt a curve or slider.

Also, have NFL teams been actively searching for guys who can punt short but consistenly? Somehow I doubt it. They aren't even searching for assistants who can veto timeouts and challenges.

Ya kyleb horrible analogy

This is the funniest thing I've read in SE in quite some time.

Funny in what way, he's most definitely correct ...

Thoughts on Texans going for it on 4th and 9 with 3:49 left in the 4th from the 30 yard line, down by 8 with IIRC no timeouts left? (instead of kicking FG - or punting if you're Andy Reid)

Our house was divided, I said kick it, dad and brother said go for it. I won't post results. I legitimately am not positive as to the correct call there and would like to hear thoughts.

Good ~10 yard passing offense = go for it

Bad one = fg

Baltimore ravens D, terrible O and GOAT pinning punter =punt probably lol


Without Andre Johnson I like fg, with him I like go for it

30%? Not the Packers. Maybe if you have AP, but this is Ryan Grant we are talking about. I was thinking more like 10%. Also it would be more in favor of my line because the Packers had two backup Tackles in the game. The team cannot run block for ****.

Going for it a lot better with Andre Johnson. Without him it's close. Going for it and then kicking off deep is pretty stupid.

With no timeouts I think going for it is the right play. Also a 47 or 48 yard FG is far from a chip shot.

What really bothers me is that coaches never seem to plan ahead in terms of what they'll do on fourth down if the 3rd down play is unsuccessful, and they never alter the 3rd down play call accordingly. You know what I mean? Like on 3rd and 9 they'll try a low percentage pass, have it fall incomplete, and then are in a quandary about what to do on 4th down, then end up going for it. Whereas if they knew they'd be going for it on 4th and 9, why not try to get some of that yardage on 3rd down? Don't have to get it all on 3rd imo.

Yeah that's something that always bothers me. On third and long when you know you will be going for it on 4th down it's not the worst decision in the world to run the ball and if you don't get it maybe have 4th and 3 or 4 and you have a pretty wide open playbook. But coaches always seem to just call consecutive 11 yard passes. This is one instance where I think there is some value in "keeping the defense honest". Especially when the defense "knows" on 3rd and 9 you will run the ball only like 2% of the time and are probably not stuffing the box.

I retract my post. Sorry PHB. I was in a hurry and didn't read it correctly. I thought he was saying NFL teams should have a special punter who doesn't kick it far but does kick with tremendous accuracy.

If you think punting a ball 40 yards on a spot and high exactly every time is easy, I have no idea what to tell you. That is just as stupid as thinking someone can throw a baseball with reasonable velocity at a specific point 100% of the time.

So, Boris and kyleb are BFFs? That's pretty cool! Congrats, guys! I hope you stay in touch forever.

i dont why but this thread got very active once football season started.

you dont need to punt it "on a spot", just inside the 50 yard wide field

And what evidence is there for believing that a punter who can kick a 70+ yarder is worse at doing this than someone who can only kick 40 yards?

Skill increases across all domains. Just because NFL punters can blast 70 yard bombs doesn't mean they can't kick 40 yard sniper shots better than a punter with a HS leg. Do you actually think punters don't practice this every day in camp? Read A Few Seconds of Panic to find out what punters actually do in practice.

that when they try it goes into the endzone approximately 85% of the time so theres not much room for another guy to be worse

if someones max is 40 yards then its impossible for them to kick a tb.

This really isn't a complicated concept. Try hitting a lob wedge 30-40 yards consistently.

If someone's max is 40 yards do you really think that they have better accuracy than an NFL punter whose max is 75 yards? What evidence supports this?

I understand that punters blast the ball into the end zone or punt it to the 15 yard line with alarming frequency; so much so that people get mad and think they should be better. But if it were possible, then it would have happened. A Few Seconds of Panic details Shanahan's nitpicking of Sauerbrun's abilities and how important the very small details of punting were.

The theory that someone who has worse distance and therefore can't kick a touchback having the same reliability and accuracy as an NFL punter is pretty absurd. What is the % of complete flubs by NFL punters? What would the % be for some guy with a max distance of 40 yards? Would it be worth the tradeoff?

There doesn't have to be evidence of something for it to be true. We're just kind of speculating and wondering if it could be true. But you and Boris are getting all mad because there are no data. Guys who are designated as "punters" on an NFL roster aren't the only ones who can catch a snapped ball and kick it up in the air.

Do you really not see the difference in consistency in the following 2 tactics:

1) Punt ball as hard and high as I can every time
2) Adjust height and/or power depending on how close I am to the EZ.

Obv. the pro punter does get some edge just in the fact that he's going to automatically be a better executor in general, of punts.