Lol.

Making DIDS look good.

Should be pretty easy to tell me what I said that was false then.

As long as you're one of the final 4, who cares right?

Pretty much everything between "Wow" and "public."

I think Jameis is a thug and an idiot, but I agree with 100% of your post.

Yeah I agree the police department burying the case and basically covering up rape was pretty brutal for Jameis since he's innocent

Or, if they conducted a flawless investigation Jameis would be in prison or on his way to prison by now.

I wonder what our FSU homer thinks of the fact that rape victims (even the real ones) often have difficulty reconstructing events? Memory is a fragile thing, especially with alcohol and trama added to the mix.

Thanks for making my point for me.

I'm glad we can go ahead and say that he'd be in prison based on the information that is out there. I'm sure the girl's ironclad story of what happened would hold up well on the stand.

Look, I'm not going to sit here and say Jameis is innocent. I don't know that. But IF he is innocent, then a shoddy investigation doesn't help him either.

Taking this as true - I have no reason not to believe you - what is the solution? Just throwing the accused in jail?

nice, the "you don't KNOW what happened you weren't THERE!" defense. espoused by many great minds ranging from zeitgeist conspiracy fake moon landings to the roman catholic church.

Skeptical of the girl's story. Big surprise from an FSU fan. At least sarcastically calling her story ironclad is better than "that girl is a known sloot"

Why don't you go ahead and read this NYT article (linked earlier ITT) if you are lamenting the fact that innocent Jameis' name is being dragged through the mud by a shoddy investigation?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ston.html?_r=1

Obviously not. Theres evidence beyond just her story. I know FSU fans arent the brightest, but try reading some of the articles postef ITT. The girl reported the rape THAT NIGHT. Even before she knew Jameis was the rapist! Whats your theory on what happened? Because its clarly not a case of 1) day after 'regret' or 2) trying to frame a (potentially) rich guy to extort him. So explain her actions without using eithet of those discredited tropes.

I'm sure some of you have seen this by now, but the owner of a Louisville restaurant, Jeff Ruby's tweeted "Notice to our Louisville diners: Due to FSU & Jameis Winston being in town Thursday Oct, 30, crab legs will NOT be available on our raw bar"

Where's the FSU homer now?

Read the article yet?

Classic.

you think a biased YANKEE newspaper can derail da NOLES from the final 4?

**** outta hea

If Jameis ends up playing for the Bengals, I guess we won't be seeing The Famous Jameis on The Precinct's menu.

The Famous Jameis is obv a crab legs app garnished tableside with capers shot out of a BB gun

Well hey since she reported it THAT NIGHT it has to be true, and now it's on you to construct a bulletproof sequence of events on what happened and how it happened that night.

Facts: (She voluntarily sought them out, she voluntarily got in a cab with them, she voluntarily went back to their place.) What do you think most college males think when that happens? What do you think other college females think when that happens?

If she was blacked out... how would she know if she said yes or no? Maybe she wanted to and then blacked out in the process, that might explain vaginal tearing. Maybe he did rape her knowingly. Maybe it was really rough sex. Maybe she was able to simulate vaginal tearing. Maybe this maybe that, it's all speculation.

If you want a speculative reason as to why she would report it THAT NIGHT without it being true. From what I recall, her entire story started to snowball on her when she started making phone calls at 3am, her parents got called without her permission, and the pressure started mounting to an uncontrollable level for her to follow through with her original untruth. Throw in the fact that she also had a bf, so she wasn't supposed to be having sex with anyone else, and you have motive to lie.

There are a lot of theories that can be concocted on both sides. A sizable amount of people have made up their minds about this incident based on subsequent events by lol Jameis. He's actually the last person I'd want to defend because I think he's a pos and can't stand the guy. But, in regards to that single incident there's an overwhelming amount of doubt, which is why he was never charged.

That's a lot of lecturing about wild speculation before you got to the part about recalling her story just snowballed on her after...she started frantically calling people at 3 am and needed to start lying because her parents found out.

Yes, the return of the "I just got repeatedly videotaped having consensual sex with Winston by one of his creep roomates who kept walking in taping and asking if he could join in, this'll be a great time to start calling friends to cry rape for money and keeping things secret from everyone including my friends, boyfriend, and family (none of whom knew anything about what had happened)!" theory.

Jameis wasn't charged because the potentially incriminating evidence was never gathered because there was no investigation. That is the explanation the prosecutors have given. As has now been pretty well established, it is also consistent with how the TPD pursues cases with FSU football players, and women filing rape charges in general.

Essentially, your POV just boils down to "But we were speculating first!"

I'm afraid I don't understand why a woman getting home alone in the middle of the night and reaching out for support and friends who go to see her find she's so upset that they call 911 and then go to a hospital to get a rape kit done where there was vaginal tearing consistent with rape and signs of a physical struggle--goes straight into, "This seems like where her lies spiraled out of control." Why not, "That sounds like a sexual assault happened"?

Somehow, "A-ha..so she...didn't want her parents to know, eh?" is the part that got through.

Boy, sure was a lucky break for the lying crazy woman that she turned out to have that vaginal tearing, eh? Remarkable how consistently she's kept acting like a not-crazy person ever since then, even going so far as to speak out as an advocate for victims.

Also, you do realize that "rough" is not the way the roomates described it in their affidavits or in the one interview with police, right? None of that talk started until after her lawyer released the original medical records that described the signs of a physical struggle and the vaginal tearing--which was after the prosecution deferral and release of records which omited that particular couple of pages. Before that it was part of the no-rape argument that there were no physical signs to back up her "story".

Again, you got a steady pr feed from a bunch of parties trying to not look like a bunch of boobs covering something up. Well, now you know they actually were trying to coverup anything that came along and are just plain incompetant boobs in any rape case. "She got into a car with them!", while it may have seemed a key detail to the crowd closely following the case on twitter, really amounts to nothing just like going to their room. What matters is if at some point she was forced to perform sex acts unwillingly...by the group that included the guy who kept walking into the room, taping, and asking if he could join in--being repeatedly yelled at by her to get out (as even he told the story). She behaved like someone traumatized afterward, and had physical signs of being raped. I don't see the problem here. Yeah, Jameis has since behaved in a manner that makes him seem more like the kind of person who could commit rape. In a word; predictable.

How is the fact she got in their car relevant? How is how other college aged idiots may interpret that relevant? Just a tip for you brandoncla that may help you avoid some legal troubles: just because a woman gets in your car or comes in your house does not mean shes consenting to sex.

Ugg, I just read this article for the first time and now I can't ****ing sleep. So depressing that this happens and I couldn't imagine being a female on that campus. Must be an absolute nightmare.

http://deadspin.com/fsu-rb-karlos-wi...d-d-1650816238

FSU's leading rusher Karlos Williams being investigated for domestic assault, 2 days after Jimbo semi-defended him. Presumably nothing would've happened about this without the Facebook post and pictures being made public.

The report that he was under investigation came out this morning...Karlos Williams practiced today so Jimbo clearly gives no ****s.

Karlos Williams has hired the same guy who defended Jameis.

of course Jimbo clearly gives no ****s. That is why he is there. A more moral man would not be a good fit at FSU.