The girl was a sloot and everyone on campus knew it. She bragged about being a groupie on twitter along with others...

ergo...

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Even before "ergo", isn't that the same sort of bs that was thrown out about her but never backed up? Like didn't she supposedly have Facebook full of pics of her & Jameis together?

I'm sure Dids will take that into consideration when formulating his next set of talking points

Obviously if a girl sleeps with many other men she has no right to say no to Winston and thus cannot have been raped. At least I think that's the logic.

Rowcoach, go back to tarding up the politics sub.

Oh well if she had some pics with Jameis and was known to engage in sexual relations with multiple men, no problem with her being raped, she was clearly asking for it by taking a photo with him.

Gonna go eat my humble pie and shoot some people with BB guns from my roof, go Noles

lol normal load of classes.

Most of us can function in society without stealing soda and crab legs.

The Irish owe everyone an apology. We'll say Winston took advantage of us in the second half and never enrolled in the Van Gorder Correctional Program.

Now the last play, that was criminal.

For the love of **** please don't anybody confuse msygonisitic, rape apologist bull**** like this for the arguments I'm making in this thread.

You sir, are a complete sack of crap.

I'm not saying that her sexual history excuses Winston for allegedly raping her. Just that it gives some context for the event. The fact of the matter is there was an investigation. There was not enough evidence for the State to prosecute Winston.

Below is the 212 page report that was released that includes text messages, police reports, and the results of the rape kit. There was not enough evidence to move forward.

What we know is she was drinking, the her and her friends seemed to be interested in Winston and his friends cause they knew they were football players.

Here is the report.

http://espn.go.com/pdf/2013/1206/winston-inv1.pdf

Women have consensual sex and regret it later. It happens. Not every claim of rape is legitimate.

I think all of the posters here would hate to be called a rapist when there was an investigation, interviews done with witnesses, text messages sought after and looked at, and the state couldn't even produce enough evidence to bring the case to court.

It is very much in doubt that a rape occurred. You all need to stop acting like he got a complete free pass. Could the investigation have been handled better? Sure. But there was an investigation. A state prosecutor looked at all the evidence he could and produced a report none of you have even bothered to read before passing judgement.

When you have to make posts like this, chances are you have been doing some bad posting.

Do you even realize how much of an idiot you sound here? It's not that the investigation "could have been handled better". It's that the investigation was aimed towards acquitting Winston from the get go. It was sabotaged.

Oh, her and her friends were interested in the FSU players? Well that means they couldn't have been raped. QED!

False rape accusations are like 8% of rape accusations. Yes, it happens. We're all aware of that champ. We all know what happened with the Duke Lacrosse team. But the sane one's here are aware that that is far rarer than a sexual assault/rape by a prominent person being covered up.

The alleged rape happened before he won one football game and before she knew it was even him.

She wouldn't have been looking for a payoff/looking to seek revenge on someone (like some cheating drama or some bull****) if she didn't even know who the piece of **** was that raped her.

So the girl likes sex like everyone else on the planet. Therefore getting raped is acceptable. Unbelievable.

The argument RowCoach is laying out is the same one used to discredit her in the first place. It's nothing new.

And with your approach being "I read something before that made me think she's lying", it's likely that whatever you read was based on that same set of ideas RC is using.

So.....look around Dids. This is your team. You and RowCoach.

Ok, right, but probabilities don't condemn a man. The investigation was delayed and stalled at first but no one is saying the state's attorney didn't do his due diligence after the first news reports of the incident came out. There was a 212 page report. You can read it for yourself. They couldn't take the case to trial.

Holy **** at this ******* RowCoach

A few days after this prosecutor release the girl's attourney produced the actual hospital records both the family and the police were given, which were not what the prosecutor gave out. Guess which one did not contain the details of the vaginal tearing and the physical signs of a struggle. That should tell you about the level of "investigation" we are talking about.

The initial investigation by the police just completely ignored the most basic checklist items they could. Interviewed no witnesses, attempted to recovered no video when the accuser told them it was taped, nor even the bar's security footage which was taped over after a month, never tried to find the taxi driver, searched *her* text messages but not Winston's, tried to talk her out of filing charges, telephoned Winston and asked him to come in (which anyone in law enforcement and even the prosecutor roll their eyes at and call "the stupidest thing" they've ever heard of)...it just goes on like this--exactly the same MO as the whole litany of tpd comically looking the other way in regards to football player crimes as detailed in the NYTimes article. An "investigation" is supposed to gather evidence. There was no such thing done here.

The prosecutor did not say there wasn't enough or any evidence, he said the evidence was never gathered in the first place and no longer existed, so they didn't *have* it (even though it was known to exist even back at that time). the fact that he took the opportunity at this presser to announce that they would not be filing charges *against the accuser* should also tell you something about the "through the looking glass" environment in that backwater town.

To explain: that would mean they actually had at some point *considered* going after the woman who'd filed charges and had a rape kit done, knowing the "investigation" had FAILED to even attempt to collect any of the potentially incriminating evidence she described, nor a token attempt to contact identified witnesses before the accused's lawyer prepped them and prepared affidavits for them--which were grossly different than the account the one who later spoke with police later gave! Well "she described herself as drunker than she was and didn't have a high enough blood alcohol content to have blacked out like she said" so obviously we have to think about prosecuting her...I mean, a rape victim can't just possibly block out a chunk of the rapenight, now can she?"

Stupifying, and it should be regardless of opinion.

So now I call your bluff: Why don't you actually produce these tweets, which you allege exist? Did you actually see them, or is it just "common knowledge" which has never actually been found? Did you share this "common knowledge" *before* the story broke, or did it just suddenly "become" common knowledge on campus right after the allegations came out during FSU's first championship run in forever being led by a certain stud quarterback? Do you even think the "common knowledge" waited for her to be named?

God, Holliday kills this thread every time he posts in it.

RowCoach and Dids hitched together pushing the other side look silly.

I am saying exactly that, as has a NYTimes reporter in April who waded through the investigations and is familiar with what "due diligence" actually constitutes in such a case. It's linked several pages back.

RowCoach, how do you feel about Joe Paterno?

Rowcoach: OJ innocent?

Here's that article:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ston.html?_r=0

Some of you may want to pay special attention to the part about how frequently victims walk away with screwed up memories and drive themselves crazy because they can't make things add up, along with the tidbit that tpd leads interviews with rape victims in the hospital with "Are you sure you were really raped, or was it consensual and you just want the morning after pill so you don't get pregnant?" Oh yeah, that was his opening line to a woman in a hospital bed with choke marks on her neck ffs (not the Winston case), and he's actually in their SVU.

Strangely enough, I did not remember the part about the Winston cop also doing private security work for the "Seminole Boosters", nor the part where he told the woman's attorney he wouldn't get Winston's DNA because it might cause publicity. Heh, to be honest, there's just way too much nonsense to keep up with.

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Dids; Vaguely recalling your stance that with no "new" evidence you see no need to reconsider your previous opinion--why don't you consider that exposé on the TPD's ubiquitous case-burying for football players may contradict much of your earlier understandings? It actually was a significant portion of that side that, "The cop not really investigating probably and mostly investigating her means he didn't believe her, and the cops are pretty good about knowing when someone isn't trustworthy, so we should take his professional opinion as pretty meaningful." Setting aside that I think that was pretty cow-****-for-brains stupid anyway, well now that we know it is just their standard procedure to do that with anyone accusing a football player of anything, maybe you actually should go back and try to remember if that was part of your basis. I mean, would that really be the hill you'd want to die on?

Because I'll tell you--I just *tried* to go back and find your reasoning posted and...I just can't do it. I made it as far as the woman's attorney giving her follow-up presser, when you pretty quickly decided the lawyer was a desperate loon grasping at straws, then a day later found an article covering the same presser as dubious and bogus because it seemed to portray the lawyer coherent and making substantive points, which you knew was not at all true because you saw it is a statement full of random tidbits WHILE FOLLOWING TWEETS FROM THE PRESSER IN REAL TIME, FFS!!! No one deserves to have to wade through things like that--most of these guys are just innocent kids, man, give 'em a break. Kids jamming their thumbs through their eyes after seeing something like that is just not funny.

I hope you are happy that I now have a ****ing splitting headache, btw. I think you should really check to be sure there was actually any logic to your reasoning, should you be able to find it, and if in hindsight any of that reasoning was actually well informed when it was made.


***Could someone please quote this so Dids can see it? Thanks.***

the "slut" defense backfired for rowcoach, so now he's onto the "couldn't bring it to trial" defense

if the cops had investigated this properly (let's say acquired the video) instead of being the corrupt, florida state cum gargling ****heels that they are, would jameis be in prison right now? i got the line at -300 yes, +280 no.

Just search for RowCoach's posts in politics and you'll know exactly the kind of idiot you're dealing with here.