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05-04-2019 , 07:37 PM

#51

Tom Ames

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ohhh ok, i misunderstood that part then

I think we were giving credence to the speculation of the broadcasters who really didn't know who had protested. Or I did misunderstand what they actually said.

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05-04-2019 , 07:37 PM

#52

Slighted

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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52

that's all well and fine.. just lol horse racing. the best horse was dominant.

and a horse not affected that got dominated being able to challenge other horses possibly getting impeded is silly.

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05-04-2019 , 07:40 PM

#53

Hellmuth was right

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It was an easy DQ, any other race and it would have been an instant decision. I just feel bad for the 1 and the 13 who weren't able to recover after their momentum got impeded.

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05-04-2019 , 07:42 PM

#54

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crazy

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05-04-2019 , 07:43 PM

#55

jayhawks

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I'm more surprised that this has never happened before.

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05-04-2019 , 07:45 PM

#56

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The on camera angle looked like it was a miracle their legs didn't tangle followed by disaster. Was just confused that the 20 can protest something with the 1 and 7 horse. So confused

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05-04-2019 , 07:46 PM

#57

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Originally Posted by ntanygd760

The on camera angle looked like it was a miracle their legs didn't tangle followed by disaster. Was just confused that the 20 can protest something with the 1 and 7 horse. So confused

yeah their legs were all mixed up

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05-04-2019 , 07:46 PM

#58

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Originally Posted by Hellmuth was right

It was an easy DQ, any other race and it would have been an instant decision. I just feel bad for the 1 and the 13 who weren't able to recover after their momentum got impeded.

I assumed the 1 got 4th but he must have fallen way back?

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05-04-2019 , 07:47 PM

#59

Schlitz mmmm

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Originally Posted by jayhawks

I'm more surprised that this has never happened before.

some stuff has no doubt happened, sheeit that was like the 140th 150th kentucky derby... they've probably let less egregious stuff slide previously .

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05-04-2019 , 07:51 PM

#60

ntanygd760

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Not much triple crown sweat equity going forward but some solid drama

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05-04-2019 , 07:56 PM

#61

FellaGaga-52

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well dominant? ... ahead by a length, or 1 1/2 at wire, diminishing, having forced the field wide ... not sure that is dominant though it looked like it in mid stretch, not in deep stretch

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05-04-2019 , 07:57 PM

#62

FellaGaga-52

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I laid 5/1 on no Triple Crown winner .. that should help

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05-04-2019 , 08:00 PM

#63

Tom Ames

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ESPN story says the jockey of the ultimate winner initiated the protest.

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05-04-2019 , 08:05 PM

#64

FellaGaga-52

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Watch Alysheba nearly fall in the stretch yet come from behind to win the 87 Derby. Best view is at about 8 minutes in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Q5XeyJG9k

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05-04-2019 , 08:12 PM

#65

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that was the only derby I attended ... Sheba had never won, technically, got taken down in the Bluegrass himself a week or two earlier, then would have won by DQ in this Derby for sure if he hadn't won it on the track

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05-04-2019 , 08:24 PM

#66

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Sheba, my fave, took a brutal beat in not winning the Triple Crown points system best Triple Crown all around. Finished 1-1-4 in the three races ... Bet Twice finished 2-2-1 ... and took the prize.

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05-04-2019 , 09:17 PM

#67

harkin

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Bayern taking out Shared Belief at the start of the Classic a few years back was brutal.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2014...master1050.jpg

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05-04-2019 , 09:26 PM

#68

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So weird. #7 definitely should've been dq'd I guess. But the horse he screwed (#1) ended up gettting like 5th, and It seemed like #1 was going to win. The second place horse #20 wasn't even affected by the foul. So it's so weird that #20 gets to win and #1 just gets screwed.

Seems like they need a new rule but I have no clue what it should be

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05-04-2019 , 09:51 PM

#69

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No Horses Died This Time!!!

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05-04-2019 , 10:19 PM

#70

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All of these stories on the front page of ESPN and the like titled "DQ COSTS BETTORS NINE MILLION" and the comments about CONSPIRACIES after them irk me . It's a pool. The same amount of money is paid out no matter which horse wins. It's just paid out to less people so they all get more money. It didn't cost people nine million dollars.

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05-04-2019 , 10:46 PM

#71

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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52

What one of the jockey announcers said is best ... it was a no-brainer DQ had it been a nothing race. And, amazingly, they did the honest thing and called it straight. The horse bore out three lanes and interfered close to causing a spill. OUT. DONE. But no one thought they'd apply the same standard in the Derby when easier not to. I thought they'd go with there was plenty of distance left and clearly the best run was the winner. But then again one of the impeded horses gained late toward the wire. Good call.

THIS^^^^^^^

It was a DQ in any allowance or claiming race. It was NOT a touch foul in the NBA. I mean if you aren't going to enforce a clear penalty in a race simply because it is a stakes race and the Kentucky Derby why even have rules at all to protect the integrity of the contest?

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05-04-2019 , 11:24 PM

#72

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Originally Posted by jayhawks

I'm more surprised that this has never happened before.

Absolutely ... there's a vid on youtube that puts dozens of Derby stretch runs in one 10 minute video, watched it right before the race. It showed constant 10 to 15 horses crowded within 5 lengths and traffic galore, a bunch of close calls, no spills or mishaps, no DQ's. Kind of surprising. I guess horses are smart about running, ha. There might be a few more coming up in the Derby to balance out the books.

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05-04-2019 , 11:43 PM

#73

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Originally Posted by mavsfan4ever

I don’t think you can do anything else.

You DQ the offender because you just can’t let it stand. But you really can’t do anything but keep the finishing order and move everyone up. Too many variables. The rule is to penalize illegal moves, not try and guesstimate alternative finishing order - impossible task.

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05-05-2019 , 12:30 AM

#74

Hellmuth was right

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Originally Posted by harkin

yep its just like nascar or speed skating or cycling, if some idiot runs you into the wall in turn 4 theres nothing you can do, just have to punish the people who are responsible. if a jockey has too many repeated incidents they should get banned from the sport.