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03-13-2023 , 06:44 PM

#13501

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How is Tim Southee still picking up bags of wickets? I thought I wrote him off years ago.

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03-13-2023 , 08:59 PM

#13502

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Originally Posted by bundy5

How is Tim Southee still picking up bags of wickets? I thought I wrote him off years ago.

he's remarkably consistent. 4 wickets a test at sub 30 avg and sub 60 strike rate.

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03-17-2023 , 11:23 AM

#13503

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I hope Southee keeps going, mainly to see how high up the Test six hitting chart he can get. What a outlier he is.

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03-17-2023 , 11:28 AM

#13504

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Originally Posted by xander biscuits

When batters stop setting off early they'll stop doing it.

It's not binary. Bowlers will always be looking for this, esp if the game is tight. I like the review option as you just can't go early if you need 1 to win off 1 ball as you'd lose the game if you do (unless a boudary can be hit).

You could argue that is should be part of the game, like in baseball, where stealing a base - and protecting against it - is very much part of the game. I'd find it tedious to the extreme, but if they could somehow trial it somehow then why not. Not sure how you do this other then pick and event and make it clear that it's all fair game.

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03-17-2023 , 07:41 PM

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I hope Southee keeps going, mainly to see how high up the Test six hitting chart he can get. What a outlier he is.

Super frustrating batter to watch though, definitely not a number 8 and very irresponsible but he just keeps playing that way even as captain

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03-17-2023 , 07:44 PM

#13506

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Williamson yet another masterful ton

What a treat to be a Kiwi born in his era. Absolute GOAT.

He just ticked over 8000 runs and now 28 hundreds. The stats lists they pulled up of number tests to reach those marks, is just a whos who of GOATS

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03-17-2023 , 09:13 PM

#13507

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This is an absolute chanceless, masterful innings from KW

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03-17-2023 , 11:10 PM

#13508

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And he gets his 6th double ton and averaging over 55 now, what a knock!!

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03-18-2023 , 12:20 AM

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Ended on 212 and Nicholls a great 200 not out too

If there was no scoring pressure to set up that declaration, Kane wouldve scored a 1000

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03-18-2023 , 03:09 PM

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Last edited by AllBlackDan; 03-18-2023 at 03:18 PM.

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03-20-2023 , 07:21 PM

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They need to just change the law to make it one short if the batsman leaves his crease before the bowler’s front foot lands.

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03-21-2023 , 01:20 PM

#13512

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Originally Posted by PeteBlow

They need to just change the law to make it one short if the batsman leaves his crease before the bowler’s front foot lands.

That would be an intentional 1 short which has already had a law change because of exploitation in limited overs games.

Good batsman at the non strikers end.
Tail ender at the strikers end.
4 runs to win off 2 balls.
2 wickets in hand.

Good batsman sets off very early. Tail ender swings, misses and runs. They scramble through for a bye or perhaps they don't. Point it that the good batsman isn't run out and faces the last ball with 4 to win still. 1 run short isn't any consolation for the fielding side.

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03-21-2023 , 03:10 PM

#13513

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Humm...I wasn't aware of that change.

I think the suggestion is that the third umpire just checks throughout the game on every ball (they must get pretty bored just waiting for reviews), as they do for no-balls, and if the non-striker goes too early then you then they lose a run. I'm totally down with this. I can't really see a downside in fact.

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03-21-2023 , 03:32 PM

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What's wrong with the batter being run out at the non strikers end?

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03-21-2023 , 03:43 PM

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What's wrong with the batter being run out at the non strikers end?

How does the bowler know if the non-striker is going to go a tiny bit too soon? Do they keep stopping and taking the bails off every over or so, esp when the game is tight? Even then, the non-striker may gain a slight edge (by accident sometimes).

What is wrong with the third umpire checking each ball, as per no-balls?

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03-21-2023 , 06:21 PM

#13516

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Fielding side are on the clock and will be fined and have other penalties imposed for slow over rates. If it happens multiple times in the IPL then the captain misses a game.

The game literally cannot slow down.

Third umpire checking and giving 1 short run doesn't work for the exploit I posted above

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03-22-2023 , 05:32 AM

#13517

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Originally Posted by xander biscuits

Re the second point, the third umpire checking every ball (where the batters crossed) tells you nothing about whether a rule about intentionally going too soon will be enforced. Indeed, it could be caught 100% of the time and it's the only way that this can happen.

Re the first point - the game literally cannot not slow down? Obviously this is false. Yes for white ball cricket then are limits but the game will finish later if the bowler stops at last point several times. And in test matches we have seen 75 overs bowled in a full day.

We'll have to agree to disagree but the more I think about it the more I think they will at least try this change.

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03-22-2023 , 08:51 AM

#13518

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Mankading isn't a test cricket problem.

We can agree to disagree but my prediction is that mankading will just become more and more accepted and batsmen will stay in their crease more and more. There'll be the occasional controversy about someone slowing the game down or stealing too much ground but not enough to the point where they change the laws

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03-22-2023 , 08:51 AM

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03-22-2023 , 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by xander biscuits

We've had two Tests that went to the last wicket or last ball in the past month! Did Wagner go too earth against SL on that last ball? No idea, but if it was checked then we would know.

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03-22-2023 , 11:00 AM

#13521

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Lots of tests go to the last wicket and the batting side are 99% of the time never stealing a single in those cases, they're trying to get a draw.

The last ball win and the win by 1 run are freak tests, not typical things that need a law change.

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03-22-2023 , 11:35 AM

#13522

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Originally Posted by xander biscuits

Penalty runs for a failed attempt would be fun

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03-22-2023 , 01:36 PM

#13523

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Originally Posted by xander biscuits

It's not a law change though! It's just how televised games are run, like when no balls were checked, and could change overnight.

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03-23-2023 , 02:30 AM

#13524

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Originally Posted by DTD

It's not a law change though! It's just how televised games are run, like when no balls were checked, and could change overnight.

If you call 1 short because they set off early then that's a law change.

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03-23-2023 , 02:32 AM

#13525

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Originally Posted by PeteBlow

Penalty runs for a failed attempt would be fun

Seems kinda unfair. Imagine if there were penalty runs for failed stampings.

I can also imagine non strikers fake outs trying to induce the mankad for penalty runs.

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