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View Poll Results: Who will win the World Series?
+600 Houston Astros
2 9.09%
+750 Atlanta Braves
3 13.64%
+750 Los Angeles Dodgers
0 0%
+850 New York Yankees
2 9.09%
+900 New York Mets
3 13.64%
+1000 San Diego Padres
2 9.09%
+1200 Toronto Blue Jays
2 9.09%
+1500 Philadelphia Phillies
0 0%
+2000 Seattle Mariners
2 9.09%
Someone else
6 27.27%

11-02-2023 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
Bud Selig loved baseball but I wasn't a fan of his. Manfred I'm convinced hates the sport. Selig obviously wanted the league to make money but he loved the sport. He bought his team in 1970- it wasn't the cash cow pro sports are today. Mandred only cares about dollars and really only dollars in the short term.
I don't think Manfred hates baseball. Otherwise he wouldn't be in/around baseball for the past 35 years. You're probably right that he doesn't love it but I don't think that should be relevant? A lot of CEO don't *love* the business they're in. His job is to make the owners money.

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Originally Posted by ec_outlaw
At the same time, if the Dbacks and Rangers had the 2 best records in baseball this year, people would still be complaining about them being in the WS and telling us how uninteresting it is because of reasons.

The borgs of the world are going to complain regardless. It's got nothing to do with the HOW and everything to do with the WHO. Just accept that and quit trying to justify your tired narrative.
Of course it's about the WHO. Apparently nobody outside of the local fan bases and hardcore fans cared about those two teams. Part of it is obviously that none of the teams had a big name but that wasn't an issue in the past if there was something compelling about them. The 1980 World Series (when the US population was 2/3 of today) featured the Phillies and Royals and game 6 of that series had more viewers than every game this year combined. This year games 1-4 each had less TV viewers than 60 Minutes on CBS on Sunday.
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11-02-2023 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ec_outlaw
I'm assuming teams still enjoy playing the role of spoiler, especially vs a division foe, regardless of whether it's for a division title or wildcard spot. And are we now good with a 97 win team getting in over a 103 win team? Seems to go against the whole argument being made that the best teams should be the ones playing for the title, especially after the Giants went 8-4 against the Phillies that year.
Not 100% sure on this but didn’t teams play their division more back then? They didn’t play the same schedules if that’s the case.

The Phillies were really good. Probably underrated at the time because nobody knew how good Schilling was. The championship series had a 104 win team playing a 97 win team. No mediocre or just decent teams there.

The 97 win team had homefield advantage which was stupid though so that was an obvious flaw, and easily fixable so it baffles me why the league didn’t change that.

I don’t really disagree with you that the system seemed unfair to the Giants though. So I wouldn’t be against any changes to fix that (which MLB did by adding a wild card which I thought was fine).

I still think it was much better than the system today. All 4 teams in the playoffs that year were impressive teams.
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11-02-2023 , 07:22 PM
Looking back at that 93 season, and that era in general, I can't help but laugh at the Atlanta Braves being in the NL West.
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11-02-2023 , 09:40 PM
I’m sorry the Red Sox and Dodgers didn’t make it.

Let us have this one.
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11-02-2023 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ec_outlaw
Looking back at that 93 season, and that era in general, I can't help but laugh at the Atlanta Braves being in the NL West.
Member when the Phoenix Cardinals were in the NFC East
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11-02-2023 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
Member when the Phoenix Cardinals were in the NFC East
Obviously not as far West but the Cowboys are still in the NFC East while the Chiefs are in the AFC West even though Dallas ist West of KC.
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11-02-2023 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ec_outlaw
If the Dodgers and Yankees snuck into wildcard spots and met in the WS, nobody would be crying they don't belong, or that the regular season is watered down, or that it's not fair the best records still have to win games to advance and don't get a free pass to the WS.

At the same time, if the Dbacks and Rangers had the 2 best records in baseball this year, people would still be complaining about them being in the WS and telling us how uninteresting it is because of reasons.

The borgs of the world are going to complain regardless. It's got nothing to do with the HOW and everything to do with the WHO. Just accept that and quit trying to justify your tired narrative.
I can pretty much 100% say that no one would complain about DBacks vs Rangers if both had best records. TV execs wouldn’t like it for reasons though

Regarding NY and LA there would be less complaint than DBacks because they generally have more stars that they buy. So from that perspective many would find it more interesting

But on board with restricting the teams. Get rid of two wildcards and do best of seven again

Last edited by ScotchOnDaRocks; 11-02-2023 at 11:32 PM.
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11-03-2023 , 06:59 AM
I think the right number is 5 playoff teams.

Two wild cards play the do or die playin game (or give them a 3 game series, I don’t care).

Don’t like the variance? Win your division next time.
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11-03-2023 , 09:15 AM
I liked 4 per league the original wildcard.
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11-03-2023 , 09:27 AM
In before 16 team playoffs.
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11-03-2023 , 10:24 AM
I always thought the Division Series would go to a best of 7. The ALCS and NLCS went from a best of 5 to a best of 7.

The NBA and NHL have a best of 7 when it gets to 16 teams.
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11-03-2023 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by madlex
In before 16 team playoffs.
And even then they won’t stop there. They could add a play-in round like the NBA does and have a 20 team playoff and add mid season tournaments. People have talked about 24 teams for the NHL.

Gotta be like the other big sports in America; even college football is trying to be like everyone else and quickly went from 2 playoff teams to 12.

Maybe even increase the number of regular season games like the NFL did because everyone still has a chance in September.

Last edited by Steve00007; 11-03-2023 at 10:45 AM.
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11-03-2023 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
And even then they won’t stop there. They could add a play-in round like the NBA does and have a 20 team playoff and add mid season tournaments. People have talked about 24 teams for the NHL.

Gotta be like the other big sports in America; even college football is trying to be like everyone else and quickly went from 2 playoff teams to 12.

Maybe even increase the number of regular season games like the NFL did because everyone still has a chance in September.
Well college football definitely needed it and it’s going to be awesome with campus site games. But it wasn’t very quick. It’s taken a long time with the entire world crying for it.

Meanwhile no one is asking for it in MLB

I’m not sure if many people in cities with mediocre teams cared about being in the wild card chase
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11-03-2023 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
Well college football definitely needed it and it’s going to be awesome with campus site games. But it wasn’t very quick. It’s taken a long time with the entire world crying for it.
I think it was pretty quick after they finally decided to expand beyond 2 teams. It is true it took forever to go beyond 2 teams. If someone told me a decade ago they would be going to 12 teams this quickly I wouldn’t have believed it.
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11-03-2023 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
I think it was pretty quick after they finally decided to expand beyond 2 teams. It is true it took forever to go beyond 2 teams. If someone told me a decade ago they would be going to 12 teams this quickly I wouldn’t have believed it.
It took ten years, so it’s a matter of opinion whether or not that was quick.

I don’t think it was quick considering how many people wanted it, how easy of a solution it was, and how successful it will ultimately be.

For the past two years you’ve seen people put up what the brackets and match ups would have been, and salivate
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11-04-2023 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
It took ten years, so it’s a matter of opinion whether or not that was quick.

I don’t think it was quick considering how many people wanted it, how easy of a solution it was, and how successful it will ultimately be.

For the past two years you’ve seen people put up what the brackets and match ups would have been, and salivate
People really wanted to expand beyond 2 for as long as I can remember and they stuck with 2 for a longer period of time. I’m not sure people were as eager for expansion once it got to 4 teams.

The BCS lasted longer than the 4 team system and I thought people hated the BCS system more.
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11-05-2023 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TJ Eckleburg12
I think the right number is 5 playoff teams.

Two wild cards play the do or die playin game (or give them a 3 game series, I don’t care).

Don’t like the variance? Win your division next time.
Right number was 4. But DS should have been best of 7 and they should have actually tried to take the best 4 teams not use archaic divisions which made sense 40 years ago and make no sense today.
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11-05-2023 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
The NBA and NHL have a best of 7 when it gets to 16 teams.
The NBA used to have best of 5 in the first round.

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Finally in 1984, the tournament expanded to its present 16-team, four-round knockout, and the now-complete set of first-round series was expanded to a best-of-five. In 2003 the first round was changed to also be best-of-seven.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_playoffs
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11-06-2023 , 03:16 PM
Carlos Mendoza moving from Yankees bench coach to Mets manager means one of the two NY teams is going to look pretty stupid going forward. Or maybe both?
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11-06-2023 , 03:22 PM
Wow, Cubs firing Ross to get Counsell.
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11-06-2023 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
People really wanted to expand beyond 2 for as long as I can remember and they stuck with 2 for a longer period of time. I’m not sure people were as eager for expansion once it got to 4 teams.

The BCS lasted longer than the 4 team system and I thought people hated the BCS system more.
I always heard it and for past two years you always see what the brackets would have been with people drooling

But with how successful it will be and how much money it will make. it seemed like it should have happened sooner even if last time it took longer

But to put it another way, I have not seen a single person criticize it. Whereas in MLB and other pro sports, people don’t like more playoff teams
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11-06-2023 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Ungoliant
Wow, Cubs firing Ross to get Counsell.
Hell of a ****ing move right there
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11-07-2023 , 03:30 PM
LOL Aaron Boone is the only conceivable reaction to this news.

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According to Steinbrenner, one of the tweaks the Yankees intend to make is spending more time teaching players how to bunt.

"I think [manager] Aaron Boone thinks that we're not teaching young players to bunt enough," Steinbrenner said before delving into an aside concerning his own research on the matter. "A few years ago in player development, we cut back on the bunting skills, but Aaron Boone feels it's becoming a bigger part of the game again, he feels it's important. So we're going to start right up again."
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/y...brenner-warns/
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11-07-2023 , 06:56 PM
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Brian Cashman pushes back on the notion that the Yankees are an "analytically-driven" organization:

"No one is doing their deep dives, they're just throwing bulls--- and accusing us of being run analytically. To be said we're guided by analytics as a driver is a lie."

dumbass loser org lol, uh2ci
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11-08-2023 , 11:10 PM
If stolen bases just increased hugely, why **** that up by bunting more?
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