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07-15-2013 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Dmalloy
These guys are experts at 100bb + poker. Jani isn't a big winner in these games because of his post flop play its because he is solid as ****.



I think your being slightly inflexible with your thinking. For some players the min raise will work for others it doesn't. There are some hypers where min raising will be profitable and others where it isn't.
We have had this discussion before Dunc. I think I said last time that I thought it has it's merits but that it is often misapplied and gave examples. I think even flip would acknowledge (and already has done in fact), the bok hand a few pages ago which you thought was fine, isn't good. In fact Bok probably would too!!
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07-15-2013 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by streityboy
The complexities of all these calculations, against just folding it preflop, would need to calculated to test whether this would be +$ev over folding or even shoving the hand. It's far more complex than you have suggested above. Have you factored all these points in and calculated it?"

Go for it.
If we could calculate everything it would be nice. You just have to get a feel for it. And that feel is better being right! The bottom line eventually shows if it is.
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07-15-2013 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by billygstar
don't worry about it streity...no need for it dual tabling
Lulz BG. You do know I am playing HU, MTTs and SNGs at the same time lol and my mix varies? But it's true, I don't play beyond 6 tables because my screen can't fit it!!

Maybe one day I'll feel the need to make my head explode and play 10 tables+. I enjoy poker too much to do that atm. Is 10-12 tables fun?
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07-15-2013 , 06:01 PM
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I think even flip would acknowledge (and already has done in fact), the bok hand a few pages ago which you thought was fine, isn't good. In fact Bok probably would too!!
I can't remember the hand in question but I think my views on a lot of hands differ from a lot of regs. I also think at times streity your a little too results oriented with specific hands.
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07-15-2013 , 06:05 PM
in other news the $27 FL KO just started with 11 runners!!
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07-15-2013 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Dmalloy
I can't remember the hand in question but I think my views on a lot of hands differ from a lot of regs. I also think at times streity your a little too results oriented with specific hands.
Bok min raised at stg like 50/100 900 stacks. Lucky shoves raggy K25J. Bok folds. J capslock LOL'd.

Do you think that hand was results orientated or the end result in a thought process of spots to exploit that strat?

Results orientated? I am all ears.

Also, can't remember the last time I did see a Dunc hyper min raise You changing to the dark side ?
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07-15-2013 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
NLO8 experts: doesn't it bother you that you apparently have almost zero postflop play in the games?
Apparently there's a flop dealt occasionally, but how about the later streets?


I still envision O8 as a game played on every street



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Originally Posted by streityboy
I can only talk for hypers and NL08 sngs. There is plenty of postflop play in cash games and MTTs.
Yeah, that sounds really absurd that you'd play hypers (or really, any sort of tournament) if you're looking for the challenge and satisfaction of excelling at a deep stack game.

It's perfectly OK to turn down an edge if you don't enjoy what you're playing. I do that all the time by grinding live limit games instead of live NL games, because I just don't enjoy NLHE.
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07-15-2013 , 06:25 PM
what the f**k happened to this thread!!!!!

(its rhetorical --i'm not seeking and answer, i don't want an explanation, but yes , i'm expressing concern/displeasure about the posts that must have been moved/merged into this no content thread)

i figured BillyG had his own thread for the month(the duration of his bet or whatevah), and that there was a hyper-turbo SNG catch-all thread, so I'm at a loss about the posts in this thread.

(its rhetorical -- don't provide me an explaination, and i'll be extremely displeased if this post spins into a 'moderation discussion'),

but wow, i repeat what the f**k
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07-15-2013 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ngFTW
(its rhetorical -- don't provide me an explaination, and i'll be extremely surprised if this post doesn't spin into a 'moderation discussion'),
FYP
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07-15-2013 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by AKQJ10
Yeah, that sounds really absurd that you'd play hypers (or really, any sort of tournament) if you're looking for the challenge and satisfaction of excelling at a deep stack game.

It's perfectly OK to turn down an edge if you don't enjoy what you're playing. I do that all the time by grinding live limit games instead of live NL games, because I just don't enjoy NLHE.
I am not. I think plaaynde was just querying it from his perspective tbh.
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07-15-2013 , 06:45 PM
Thats it, I don't think its that bad.

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Results orientated?
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What if he had AK310 and called? Who's play is bad then? He isn't min raise folding 100% here.

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Also, can't remember the last time I did see a Dunc hyper min raise You changing to the dark side
I still do it, I've just stopped doing it in certain lineups and positions.
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07-15-2013 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by streityboy
I am not. I think plaaynde was just querying it from his perspective tbh.
Don't really know what my perspective is

Searching for it. To win one way or the other appears to gain momentum. Thought I was a fixed limit player. PLO8 will probably see me developing into a full-fledged pokerplayer. Why not big-bet? I don't seem to be scared for making some moves.
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07-15-2013 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Dmalloy
Thats it, I don't think its that bad.

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What if he had AK310 and called? Who's play is bad then? He isn't min raise folding 100% here.
Haven't properly run the maths to work it out. I didn't do this randomly, win and think yeh, results say I should every time he min raised and expect a fold. I ain't that stupid Dunco obviously. Or am I ?

You and your inducements . But guesses on how often he has to raise fold for me to make this profitable?

Gtg to bed. Will look at this tomorrow.
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07-15-2013 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ngFTW
what the f**k happened to this thread!!!!!
What thread? ("This" is unclear to me).

And please don't circumvent the profanity filter. We don't really care if you use profanity or not. Just please don't try to circumvent the filter. (In other words, "f**k" should appear as "****").

When you write "this" thread, are you talking about the "petition for hyper turbo omaha8 sngs on stars" thread? Are you talking about the "Julyke it hot - July miscellaneous thread"? Or are you talking about some other thread? (I'm not a ****ing mind reader).

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(its rhetorical --i'm not seeking and answer, i don't want an explanation, but yes , i'm expressing concern/displeasure about the posts that must have been moved/merged into this no content thread)
Noted.

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(its rhetorical -- don't provide me an explaination,
Since we wouldn't want you to be extremely displeased, please don't read the following explanation.

Recent posts in the "petition for hyper turbo omaha8 sngs on stars" thread have nothing to do with a "petition for hyper turbo omaha8 sngs on stars," and therefore don't belong in that thread. Indeed none of the posts that were posted in the "petition for hyper turbo omaha8 sngs on stars" thread during July have anything to do with the topic "petition for hyper turbo omaha8 sngs on stars."

I moved most of those posts to this thread, the "Julyke it hot - July miscellaneous thread" and I moved the rest of them to a getting to know you thread. That new getting to know you thread may not continue to exist, depending on whether or not the subject of the thread wants a thread about himself. (I presume he'll get back to me privately about that).

The "petition for hyper turbo omaha8 sngs on stars" thread has been a mess for a while now and I finally decided to finally do something about it and end the mess.

There was no intention to offend on my part.

Buzz
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07-15-2013 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by streityboy
I am not. I think plaaynde was just querying it from his perspective tbh.
Sorry, should have clarified. Response was to him; just cited you for support.
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07-15-2013 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by booink
i am predetermined to look into his videos because out of free will i am interested in this topic.
so i finally looked up mr. bruce lipton and to be honest- i am not impressed. i have watched about 40-50 minutes (interview about "The Power Of Consciousness"(link) and two other small videos) and basically he is a biologist that turned into a motivational coach? i mean, there is not really some big new thing- all he says is that positive thinking is good in all aspects of life and has influence on the body as well.

the stem cell experiment he was talking about (it is at the beginning of the interview) and the conclusions he got out of it...are weird. sure, you can put a stem cell into an environment that makes the cell become a muscle cell.
but the reaction of the cell is still written in its genes and not in the environment. something like "if there are muscle cells around me, i better become one too".
the cell reacts to the environment based on the genetic program. of course there are a lot of different options written in the DNA to adjust to a wide spectrum of environmental situations.
lets say you are a cell and your thought process is the DNA: you go to a baseball game. for what headgear will you decide?probably a baseball cap. you could also wear a top hat or a cooking pot. but you rather go for the baseball cap because you know that is the right headgear for a baseball game and not because the MLB made you do it. keep the top hat for cleaning chimneys and the cooking pot for playing knight and princess with your daughter.

and i disagree with him saying that darwin´s point of view lead to nazi-germany. anti semitism and nationalism were there for thousands of years. darwins work was just easy to be misinterpreted and used as propaganda.

and towards that "survival of the fittest" thing creating an aggressive society: success from an evolutionary point of view is to have as much descendants as possible. period. and i strongly believe that is what darwin meant with that sentence. being the fittest does not mean to be able to beat the crap out of everyone else or to kill everyone that is not like you. being the fittest means to be able to grow as many kids as you can while giving them the best possible start into this world.
survival of the fittest is an indirect competition most of the time. you are not going to get rid of of all the families in your neighbourhood so that you have the only family. you got 3 kids, your neighbour has two kids. you win-that´s it.the rich neighbour on the other side has no kids because he and his wife work 25 hours a day and they don´t want to have their lifes "messed up" by kids - they lose.
i think lipton got that wrong.

anyways, positive thinking is surely a good thing and if you got rid of your belly because of that then i envy you

god damn english. foreign languages are a bad vessel to bring a point across.
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07-15-2013 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Buzz


The "petition for hyper turbo omaha8 sngs on stars" thread has been a mess for a while now and I finally decided to finally do something about it and end the mess.

There was no intention to offend on my part.

Buzz
when ms. booink gets angry about the mess in my car i often say: "but its MY mess."

in this spirit: but its OUR mess


would you mind an official general hyper talk thread?
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07-15-2013 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by booink
when ms. booink gets angry about the mess in my car i often say: "but its MY mess."

in this spirit: but its OUR mess
Good point. I wouldn't mind the mess if the thread had a different, more descriptive title.

But another consideration is the side tracking of Marky_Crash's thread about a petition for hyper turbo omaha8 sngs on stars. Seems like the posters who stuck to the topic in that thread deserve to not have their thread messed up by posts that belong elsewhere.

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would you mind an official general hyper talk thread?
Why don't you start one? I don't mind and I don't think niss will mind either. If niss or someone else has an objection, we'll deal with that as it arises.

Buzz
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07-15-2013 , 09:35 PM
I think Buzz is that it had evolved to become the official hyper turbo thread after Pokerstars had implemented Hyper Turbos.
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07-15-2013 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Dmalloy
I think Buzz is that it had evolved to become the official hyper turbo thread after Pokerstars had implemented Hyper Turbos.
I think so too. But then it contained other material too. It really had become a hodgepodge.

Before moving this month's posts out of it, I considered changing the name. But that didn't seem the right way to treat those who had posted about the titled topic.

Thanks.

Buzz
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07-16-2013 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
NLO8 experts: doesn't it bother you that you apparently have almost zero postflop play in the games?
Apparently there's a flop dealt occasionally, but how about the later streets?


I still envision O8 as a game played on every street

No. NLO8 fish make horrendous mistakes preflop. It's quite easy to be profitable in these games.
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07-16-2013 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by booink
so i finally looked up mr. bruce lipton and to be honest- i am not impressed. i have watched about 40-50 minutes (interview about "The Power Of Consciousness"(link) and two other small videos) and basically he is a biologist that turned into a motivational coach? i mean, there is not really some big new thing- all he says is that positive thinking is good in all aspects of life and has influence on the body as well.

the stem cell experiment he was talking about (it is at the beginning of the interview) and the conclusions he got out of it...are weird. sure, you can put a stem cell into an environment that makes the cell become a muscle cell.
but the reaction of the cell is still written in its genes and not in the environment. something like "if there are muscle cells around me, i better become one too".
the cell reacts to the environment based on the genetic program. of course there are a lot of different options written in the DNA to adjust to a wide spectrum of environmental situations.
lets say you are a cell and your thought process is the DNA: you go to a baseball game. for what headgear will you decide?probably a baseball cap. you could also wear a top hat or a cooking pot. but you rather go for the baseball cap because you know that is the right headgear for a baseball game and not because the MLB made you do it. keep the top hat for cleaning chimneys and the cooking pot for playing knight and princess with your daughter.

and i disagree with him saying that darwin´s point of view lead to nazi-germany. anti semitism and nationalism were there for thousands of years. darwins work was just easy to be misinterpreted and used as propaganda.

and towards that "survival of the fittest" thing creating an aggressive society: success from an evolutionary point of view is to have as much descendants as possible. period. and i strongly believe that is what darwin meant with that sentence. being the fittest does not mean to be able to beat the crap out of everyone else or to kill everyone that is not like you. being the fittest means to be able to grow as many kids as you can while giving them the best possible start into this world.
survival of the fittest is an indirect competition most of the time. you are not going to get rid of of all the families in your neighbourhood so that you have the only family. you got 3 kids, your neighbour has two kids. you win-that´s it.the rich neighbour on the other side has no kids because he and his wife work 25 hours a day and they don´t want to have their lifes "messed up" by kids - they lose.
i think lipton got that wrong.

anyways, positive thinking is surely a good thing and if you got rid of your belly because of that then i envy you

god damn english. foreign languages are a bad vessel to bring a point across.
I can assure you there is more to it than just positive thinking. In order to apply the theories and effect real changes in your life you need to be able to first meditate. It is while in a meditative state that you can access and reprogram subconscious beliefs.

Here are a few more things that I have achieved by applying this theory to my life. I eliminated all cravings for unhealthy foods, hard drugs, and alcohol. The last two were real problems for me. I actually don't even smoke grass that often anymore. I went from sleeping 10 hours a night to 5 hours a night and pretty much never get tired. I only drink water and don't take any supplements of any kind. If I were single I would likely be playing 2x the volume I currently play and I think I could do it with ease. I believe I have increased my intelligence in terms of memory and attention. This is of course hard to prove but I am in the top 2% overall and the top .5 % in the categories I mentioned of all users on lumosity.com which is a popular brain training site. Previously I was much lower and in terms of memory specifically I have done a lot of hard drugs in my life and most of the guys I did them with now have the memory of a 90 year old. I also eliminated a lot of anger issues that caused problems in past relationships I have had and just in general I have become a super calm happy person. The last thing I would like to share involves my gf. About a year and a half ago maybe longer (before we met) My gf had developed a form of cancer that although not life threatening did require removal which was a very painful process for her. Unfortunately they didn't get it all and she later found that it had spread further and that she had to go back to once again to have it removed. Well in the month leading up to her appointment we both focused our meditation on removing the cancer and sure enough when she went back for her appointment they only found trace amounts remaining and we were out of there in 5 minutes pain free.

As far as actual evidence that mind does actually have an effect on outcomes take a look at http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/ This is a site operated by a group of individuals at Princeton University. Pear stands for Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research and there work is dedicated to studying and experimenting with these type of things.
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07-16-2013 , 08:24 AM
Putting villain on a set and nothing else, which is reasonable, this is an okay call...?

    Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Omaha H/L Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #18420821

    Hero (CO): $114.15 (114.2 bb)
    BTN: $154.28 (154.3 bb)
    SB: $30.15 (30.2 bb)
    BB: $100 (100 bb)
    UTG: $127.20 (127.2 bb)
    MP: $117.33 (117.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 5 A 8 T
    2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, BTN folds, SB calls $2, BB calls $1.50

    Flop: ($7.50) 6 J 9 (3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $5, SB folds, BB raises to $97.50 and is all-in, Hero calls $92.50

    Spoiler:
    Turn: ($202.50) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($202.50) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Results: $202.50 pot ($2.80 rake)
    Final Board: 6 J 9 7 A
    Hero showed 5 A 8 T and won $199.70 ($99.70 net)
    SB mucked and lost (-$2.50 net)
    BB showed Q 9 Q 9 and lost (-$100 net)



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    07-16-2013 , 09:31 AM
    The way I see it in the simulations, you're about 54/46 behind on the flop against a set, meaning you're getting all your money in as a slight dog on a coinflip.

    If he has a better flush draw, or worst case something like Ah2hJJ you're all the way down to about 72/28.

    Surely getting it all in here with your hand can't be profitable in the long run?
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    07-16-2013 , 09:43 AM
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    Originally Posted by BadAstronaut
    The way I see it in the simulations, you're about 54/46 behind on the flop against a set, meaning you're getting all your money in as a slight dog on a coinflip.

    If he has a better flush draw, or worst case something like Ah2hJJ you're all the way down to about 72/28.

    Surely getting it all in here with your hand can't be profitable in the long run?
    I kinda thought that... Just didn't care. :/
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