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Who Will Be The 2016 Republican Nominee? (It's Donald Trump) Who Will Be The 2016 Republican Nominee? (It's Donald Trump)

12-08-2015 , 02:00 AM
Haha, Rubio really putting himself out there standing up for American values:

Marco Rubio ‏@marcorubio 6h
I disagree with Donald Trump's latest proposal. His habit of making offensive and outlandish statements will not bring Americans together.
12-08-2015 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
What if a radical Muslim ticks the 'Christian' box in order to enter the country and blow up the White House? Checkmate, Donald, checkmate.
Make them all eat a ham sandwich before being allowed in, ldo.
12-08-2015 , 02:02 AM
I will say this, I think Trump's equity to win the election took a serious hit. I think there are too many sane people that he scares the **** out of.

Doesn't mean he can't win the primary though.
12-08-2015 , 02:03 AM
Yeah Cruz didn't denounce it at all. He is a chicken **** opportunist. At least Jeb said Trump is "unhinged". What Trump said was unamerican. It probably endangers our troops, spies, and certainly gives the Jihadist what they want, confirms what they are saying, that it's us against them, and US doesn't want you, come to us. The country is whipped up in this fervor...its sickening.

but this ****ing a-hole Cruz learned in debate class, well just say "its not your policy" if you disagree but don't want to denounce, and then Cruz immediately pivoted to his position, of a moratorium on immigration from ISIS controlled countries or something.

and rubio has no balls either.
12-08-2015 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
All he said so far is that that "would not be his policy" or something to that effect.
Leaves room open for internment camps. Smahhht. It's not what you say it's what they hear.
12-08-2015 , 02:26 AM
It's not like Trump is out in front of the Republican base here, no way this hurts him.
12-08-2015 , 02:34 AM
I thought like 20 rich guys in a private meeting somewhere end up picking who the nominee is for each party? WTF is going on?

GOP needs to wake the hell up.
12-08-2015 , 03:10 AM
To paraphrase Stalin, it's not who votes in the primaries it's who counts the votes. Who oversees primary voting? I've been googling and I can't tell.
12-08-2015 , 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Trump won't win, because to go from A to C you first have to go through B.

But that means Cruz or someone else who basically turns into a Trump-lite will get the nomination. And that's the slippery slope to someone more radical winning the next time around.
If the voter's position is more extreme than all the other candidates except Trump than it might not matter if Trump's stated position is more extreme yet. Considering that almost everyone knows that Trump can't fully succeed in his plan even if he is elected, a guy who is to the right of Cruz and to the left of Trump might think that a Trump victory might mean that the country's policies might wind up just where he wants them.
12-08-2015 , 03:54 AM
Pretty sick what Trump is saying, full on racism now. Yeah before it was racist too but this is like some internment camps level ****. I agree with what others say where he really exposed a dark side of America that's frustrated and hostile etc. Also the person who said the right way to beat him is to acknowledge his voters then present a sane alternative.

I think it was the right move and he's controlling the media cycle again. It's also a good parlay, any attack on us soil and he can play the "I told you so" card and pick up more votes. If nothing happens everyone forgets.

Remember Trump is a master of persuasion. His net favorability has been increasing this entire time in a completely unprecedented way: that means what he's saying is changing people's minds. I also have noticed/suspect that recently he's been intentionally trying to say some big words at key times to seem smarter. Trump understands that people and decision making is mostly emotional, ( not rational ) and plays to that very well. He does stuff like "talking past the sale" to suggest he's already president. He constantly repeats ****, almost in a hypnotic way: "Hillary doesn't have the strength or the stamina to be president" is repeated something like ten times in a minute or so. "We need strong, we need strength, we need tough, we need someone whose tough." He's literally talking to people's subconscious. It's actually kind of ****ing scary.

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12-08-2015 , 04:19 AM


#resonance
12-08-2015 , 09:02 AM
Trump calling Obama a racist, *popcorn*

Btw about the talking past sale bit I didn't mean when you lose a sale, I mean when you have the sale assumed, I forgot the idiom.

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12-08-2015 , 09:03 AM
Even UK Tory PM speaking against Trump. Rare to get any comment.

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David Cameron regards comments made by US presidential hopeful Donald Trump as "divisive, unhelpful and quite simply wrong", Downing Street has said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35037553
12-08-2015 , 09:09 AM
The real take-away here is how obvious it is that public criticism of Islam is being stifled.
12-08-2015 , 09:11 AM
Trump hasn't uncovered some dart part of the American psyche, he's just knocking down the pins that conservative media has been setting up since the 90s. Talk radio and fake news stations have primed and prepped people's rage against any non-white, non-Christian thing and he's taking advantage of the ecosystem they've helped cultivate.
12-08-2015 , 09:18 AM
When you have a very divisive political culture then you shouldn't be surprised when political figures who appeal to the extremes do far better than seems plausible.
12-08-2015 , 09:25 AM
I would HOPE that it's Cruz. I'd really cringe if it were Trump, because he can't win the general. He's right about maybe 40% of what he says, but he pisses off too many important demographics we're counting on to stay home out of disinterest/boredom. He can really only win if his populist rhetoric sweeps through every single rust-belt state that's capable of swinging.

Any other Republican is less than ideal, but still the lesser evil -- our last hope is that with a Republican in the White House, Paul Ryan will finally stop p*ssyfooting around and get some real fiscal change done.

But my hopes of that aren't high. I honestly think at this point, we're just headed into America's first federal bankruptcy and no one is going to stop it.
12-08-2015 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
When you have a very divisive political culture then you shouldn't be surprised when political figures who appeal to the extremes do far better than seems plausible.
12-08-2015 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
lol I asked this before and people laughed at me like everyone should know chiefsplanet is the home of a bunch of far-right wing nutjobs.

I really don't get how the Chiefs website is so radicalized. The Chiefs have a good shot at the playoffs too, how disenfranchised can they be?
Why won't Missouri politicians denounce Radical Chiefdom?
12-08-2015 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Klingbard


#resonance
They've been killing it lately.
12-08-2015 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Alex Wice

Remember Trump is a master of persuasion. His net favorability has been increasing this entire time in a completely unprecedented way: that means what he's saying is changing people's minds. I also have noticed/suspect that recently he's been intentionally trying to say some big words at key times to seem smarter. Trump understands that people and decision making is mostly emotional, ( not rational ) and plays to that very well. He does stuff like "talking past the sale" to suggest he's already president. He constantly repeats ****, almost in a hypnotic way: "Hillary doesn't have the strength or the stamina to be president" is repeated something like ten times in a minute or so. "We need strong, we need strength, we need tough, we need someone whose tough." He's literally talking to people's subconscious. It's actually kind of ****ing scary
He is trained in something called "neuro linguistic programming" and has been doing co-seminars with a cult leader named Anthony Robbins.

What the heck is neuro linguistic programming? Sounds scary.

In the professional speaking circuit, he has also shared a stage with Jack Trout, Joseph Sugarman, and Robert Cialdini.
12-08-2015 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Karl Ikon
What the heck is neuro linguistic programming? Sounds scary.
It's largely bunk, from what I've heard.
12-08-2015 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
The way to beat Trump is to offer his numbskull backers an alternative they can support so they get back in line. Erick Erickson wrote this and I agree with it:

http://www.erickontheradio.com/2015/...trump-on-this/

You first have to acknowledge their grievances so they will listen to you, and then you have to show them why Trump's rantings are inappropriate, and then you have to offer them a better alternative they are willing to accept.
One of the first things you learn in Poli Sci 101 is emotional appeals work way better than rational appeals.

Bush is too beta to get it done. Graham is still pulling his punches. Rubio has shown himself to be an intellectual light weight (that or, more likely, he has bad staff)

Cruz is putting in the hard/retail ground work to win early states. Watch out when he gets the money to broadcast and craft his messages. The man is without doubt one of the most polished debaters in the world. His ability to reframe the issue is legendary.
12-08-2015 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
It's largely bunk, from what I've heard.
NLP as packaged for sale is filled with bunk.

Behavioral modification, neural plasticity, and learned behavior are not.

And sales techniques Trump use, seemingly naturally, are not bunk either sadly.

      
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