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OK so like I was asking earlier you guys who believe this is a legit scandal are saying that Smith was wrongly decided and sincere religious beliefs exempt you from having to follow (some of? all of?) the laws?

Is that based on like policy grounds(i.e. SCOTUS interpreted the first amendment reasonably but America would be better if they had come out the other way) or some theory of legal doctrine(i.e. SCOTUS did NOT interpret the first amendment reasonably, using whatever the correct theory of jurisprudence is would lead them to go the other way)?

I don't actually believe anyone really thinks that religion exempts you from laws. It's just the position they made up because it suits their team.

A dead person?

Someone in a coma?

A very young child?

I have no legal expertise or particularly religious but I am troubled by the administration's actions. Maybe its similar to how others feel about the Patriot Act or the NDAA. These laws are constitutional (right?) but just because the government has the constitutional authority to take an action doesn't mean it should.

Flattery will get you nowhere with me!

I believe you're a euro right? Might want to read that first amendment, and my posts really.

Yeah, I live in Euroland. But it's obviously not true that a catholic hospital can employ children if they say that's what their religion says.

The first amendment doesn't mean that religious people are exempted from the laws of the land. And the SCOTUS agrees with me.

that mike dewine endorsement switch was nasty...

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...um.php?ref=fpb


dont feel like quotin but said rick is a human so he has that going for him...what else oh said mitt is just all negative all the time and he couldnt sleep at night endorsing the dude...hey not sayin mitts gonna lose or even mike dewine is anybody but wow mitts turnin cats off big time (and dogs too ahahhaha get it heh )

Seriously...

anatta hope u aint talkin about jesus bein perfect man that guy man alright hes nice but as anatta told a fan who dropped a postcard in his mail bag after the playoff opener...

todd in jersey writes:

anatta have u heard the word of god today? have u spoken to jesus lately? todd

dear todd,

spoke to jesus yesterday he came over for the c's game and as usual thinks its great fun to spot the other team like double digit leads or whatever get me drunk on his water to wine trick and then bail at halftime just to see if my drunk yogic powers can pull out a boston victory. man i actually complained to the jedi counsel but with all the yankee fans lets just say they dont give shi.t at a minimum and really i think they enjoy/encourage jesus' antics.

so at the half i gotta walk my dog so jesus says alright ill go with u then i got to go and i think yeah no kidding but still got drunk man what can i say im no connoisseur but his wine is damn good. okay i dont know if u know this todd but animals really dont like jesus they just dont like him he's like all invisible and i dunno they sense him but cant see him or something and it just freaks 'em out and jesus is all "be calm jesus loves all men and beast" and im like dude i told u the dog doesnt understand english man its a damn dog that never works.

so we get to the park and this little girl she's like nice doggie and jesus is like to me nobody can hear him but he's like damn u are one ugly little girl what r u so happy about omg look at those teeth theyre huge! and i lol and the grannie with her says yr a happy young man and jesus is like and yr an ugly old lady and im like "jesus christ will u shut up" and then im like oh man im sorry lady im drunk and get out fast and jesus is just roflol. so yeah i spoke to him yesterday.

love, anatta

IF the Catholics were actually harming anyone with something like child labor, you'd have a point. The right to speech ends at my nose and all that. Since that's absolutely not what is happening here, you're FOS.

I don't frequent this forum at all but saw this & thought it might interest you guys:

http://www.freewoodpost.com/2012/02/...ntal-disorder/
Seriously messed up.

Apologies if already posted & apologies if this is the wrong thread, seems appropriate to me.

There's no way that's real. Read the site banner ffs.

So, the first amendement says that religious people/organizations are exempt from all laws except if they're hurting someone? So, they could pay less than minimum wage to their janitors?

You're just a closet Santorum supporter!

Yeah, the free work religion could. Lol

Just because I'm interested: are you loling because there is no such religion or because you actually think this is true?

From the same website:
Ron Paul Supports exchange patriot hats for pointed hoods.
http://www.freewoodpost.com/2012/02/...pointed-hoods/

By the way, inventing a religion that doesn't believe in speed limits might be a great strategy if you ever get speeding tickets.

So a religion that believes only in God's kingdom and does not recognize worldly government, then. Totally plausible.

I'm laughing at how desperate and irrelevant your example is.
again, your hurting somebody.

Why is it desperate? Could you try to refute it even though it's desperate? Who am I hurting? Maybe the person I might potentially hit? That makes the bar pretty low, how about the women that are hurt because they're not receiving birth control?

By the way, I can think of these examples all day.

I don't really see why religion ought to get any special treatment over anything else...it is simply for historical/realpolitik reasons that it retains its status. The idea that my beliefs about what is right and wrong is more or less valid legally based on whether these beliefs are part of a religion is utter nonsense.

i realize i'm probably different from ike and others on my side in this argument, but i don't get how religion has anything to do with it. i'm totally stuck on why anyone would ever think we should have these bizarre laws about what types of healthcare compensation people can/can't agree to.

if you want your company to provide you with birth control, don't work for a catholic school? if you want a free christmas ham every year don't work for a jewish one?