None of the quotes you listed have anything to do with race.

Better question would be when is it acceptable to kill a fleeing suspect.

This happens all the time, usually with considerably less murder.

Who the hell knows what actually happened, but this wouldn't surprise me at all.

That is a lot of assuming you are doing in a clear cut discussion.

A cop having the back of another cop in an openly racist PD when the cop killed an "animal" is not surprising.

If there was actual evidence they would show it, I assume. If the store owner identified him the news would have a quote from him by now, I assume. If they had one perp they would have found the other suspect by now, I assume. If this was a justified shoot they would interview the witnesses instead of avoiding doing so, I assume.

The Knockout Game is spreading......

That is helpful.

Is it odd that the report doesn't mention anything about what happened next?

in Ike's defense, he will take an offensive and ridiculous side of an argument just to argue with everyone and become the center of the debate. You don't keep up his post count without being able to get every thread to be centered around you. No racism required.

Good thing for the racist cop they happened to get a call about a robbery in the same area, only minutes before, that just happened to have surveillance video, of a suspect who happened to look just like Brown.

Again the robbery is irrelevant to the shooting being justifiable or not, aside from that it served to set the whole chain of events in motion. Not sure why you are even debating it when there's nothing to debate.

All the speculation ITT is just derp. We don't know what happened, and at it's kind of pointless at this point. Wait till we find out. The dispatch recording should be released in a couple of days.

Just read the police report. While I'll admit that the police report matches backs this up, obviously if there is any reason to doubt the veracity of the police officer then his report is also suspect. I'm not implying that this is the likely case but I feel justified in saying there's reason to accept this officer's statements at this point in time.

I agree with you that whether he stole the cigars or not is irrelevant to whether or not he deserved to be killed.

Apparently this police department has a checkered history

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...loody-lie.html

We have to assume the police are being truthful and accurate?

Will we? The police won't release the autopsy. If the police just "happen" to conclude there's not enough evidence to go to trial, we may never get more than we currently have.

Possibly a reasonable assessment. Per msnbc:

The surveillance footage

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv...abb_video.html

The video can be seen on the stltoday.com website. It is clearly Michael Brown and his friend. Zero chance he would lie to get out of robbery charges, amirite?

Why do you keep acting as though the second suspect is the only witness to this shooting? You seem to think you're proving some sort of point here, so why not go ahead and get to that point?

The key word is "slowly." If there had been a struggle, and the cop is running after Brown, with a least one shot having been fired, I can't imagine anyone in the cop's shoes all of a sudden just rearing up, stopping short, and then shifting down into calm, Dirty Harry, execution mode.

Yep. Yet another way that the media turns the story into something other than what the story actually is.

I kind of understand the automatic skepticism of the police version of events in these things, and obviously anything that comes out of his buddy's mouth is pretty unreliable too if they were into some ****.

But even random eyewitnesses can be tricky depending on the cop/neighborhood. I remember two separate incidents on the street I grew up on like that. PD relations were so bad that people were in front of the local news camera just flat out lying.

In one I was in the way and I was knocked over when they tackled a guy, saw everything. He was a known POS (think Debo from Friday, if he were Puerto Rican). They scraped him up a bit and weren't gentle but didn't beat his ass or anything, nothing out of the ordinary when you have to tackle a guy on pavement. To hear people on the street tell it though it was Rodney King all over again, and they "shoved" Gonzo out of the way too. Eyewitness accounts were **** on my block, basically any of us who hung outside were shady as hell anyway.

Granted that kind of thing is just anecdotal experience and makes me biased. I know **** all about Ferguson, Missouri. It doesn't sound like relations are the best with the police from what I see though.

No. There is a 95% chance if the State decides not to go to trial that the Feds pursue the case (DOJ will pursue unless the cop is clealy justified). If the Feds do not pursue it, another huge % of the time the evidence will be subpeoned in the wrongful death, under color of lawsuit that will be filed and lastly the media will obtain it with a FOIA request once the investigation and court hearings are over.

He's already copped to the robbery, so yes.

But in the real world it's not really, because

lol'd hard at this for some reason

Nice nice, great start to what should be several weeks of ikes reflexively molding the facts into the best possible scenario for the officer who shot an unarmed black guy several times and killed him.

It was only a matter of time before the amount of sympathy shown to dead black kids ITT became too much.