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The Tragic Death of Jonathan Ferrell The Tragic Death of Jonathan Ferrell

09-20-2013 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Your Boss
That's not even the most lol part. He disagrees that a knock on the door in the middle of the night in this neighborhood is less likely to be a lost drunk than a similar knock in an area with a bunch of college kids or an area with a bunch of bars.

It's classic Wookie though. Lock in position early, refuse to budge on any single item.
He cant possibly believe this.
09-20-2013 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Not immediately leaving after she sets off the alarm can reasonably be interpreted as threatening. He was pounding on the door and yelling for her to turn off the alarm. It's reasonable to be afraid if someone is doing that.
She panicked before that, tho.
09-20-2013 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by EdBratz66
And who exactly do you think is responsible for the negative stereotypes?
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Originally Posted by EdBratz66
Nah, you my friend live in Candyland, your only decision is what color piece to use.
Btw, we never got to hear your thought on where the negative stereotypes of black people come from. Care to give us your thoughts?
09-20-2013 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
She panicked before that, tho.
So what? She was half awake, expecting her husband and seeing a shoeless total stranger. 99% of women home alone react with fear and instantly close the door in that spot and a large fraction will set off an alarm as she did. Yes she had a panicked instant reaction when startled with someone other than her husband at 2:30 AM when she was half asleep. Big ****ing deal.
09-20-2013 , 09:39 AM
So far nothing about the man's behavior towards the woman can be considered dangerous. Knocking is not dangerous. Yelling is not dangerous, unless threats were being yelled. Irrational panic. The only out here is if the lady had a panic attack in the clinical sense.

I have to wonder if the posters flying the flag of fear for this lady could be counted on in a crisis not to panic themselves...
09-20-2013 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
So far nothing about the man's behavior towards the woman can be considered dangerous. Knocking is not dangerous. Yelling is not dangerous, unless threats were being yelled. Irrational panic. The only out here is if the lady had a panic attack in the clinical sense.

I have to wonder if the posters flying the flag of fear for this lady could be counted on in a crisis not to panic themselves...
You don't think that continued knocking and yelling after the woman sets off the alarm (a not-so-subtle signal for him to leave their property) is threatening?
09-20-2013 , 09:43 AM
The whole thing is, though, there is no reason for this to be considered a crisis situation unless you have a belief that black men are inherently dangerous.
09-20-2013 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
She panicked before that, tho.
Oh the horror of someone panicking.
09-20-2013 , 09:46 AM
Like this is pretty hilarious. A bunch of Internet Tough Guys dictating exactly what level of fear this lady is supposed to feel when she opens the door expecting to see her husband and instead seeing some discombobulated shoeless stranger. Clearly it is appropriate for her to feel enough fear where she instantly slams the door shut. Obviously! But feeling the level of fear where she presses the alarm button? MY GOD SHE'S A MONSTER
09-20-2013 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
So what? She was half awake, expecting her husband and seeing a shoeless total stranger. 99% of women home alone react with fear and instantly close the door in that spot and a large fraction will set off an alarm as she did. Yes she had a panicked instant reaction when startled with someone other than her husband at 2:30 AM when she was half asleep. Big ****ing deal.
To be fair, there seems to be some conflicting information.

I was under the impression that the woman was asleep,the guy knocked on her door, she woke up and opened it. Phill posted some copy from an article (although when asked to link it did not) that read like she was awake already, saw a man walking up the driveway, and opened the door in advance of him knocking.

Additionally, the alarm piece isn't clear. Some articles say she pushed a button to activate it, others say her opening the door alone activated it.

Neither of those change the main point, that her reaction falls within a reasonable scale of reactions, although I think her being awake initially, as well as if she manually turned on the alarm, would slide it closer to the overreaction side.
09-20-2013 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Tien
Oh the horror of someone panicking.
Lol, this guy doesn't understand the discussion, either.
09-20-2013 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
So far nothing about the man's behavior towards the woman can be considered dangerous. Knocking is not dangerous. Yelling is not dangerous, unless threats were being yelled. Irrational panic. The only out here is if the lady had a panic attack in the clinical sense.

I have to wonder if the posters flying the flag of fear for this lady could be counted on in a crisis not to panic themselves...
You've never seen videos of onlookers doing absolutely nothing to help someone in need because they are frozen in fear?
09-20-2013 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
The whole thing is, though, there is no reason for this to be considered a crisis situation unless you have a belief that strangers approaching your house at 2:30 in the morning have a non negligible chance of being dangerous
fyp
09-20-2013 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
The whole thing is, though, there is no reason for this to be considered a crisis situation unless you have a belief that black men are inherently dangerous.
Women have the belief that male strangers late at night when they are alone are inherently dangerous. They are correct.
09-20-2013 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Your Boss
To be fair, there seems to be some conflicting information.

I was under the impression that the woman was asleep,the guy knocked on her door, she woke up and opened it. Phill posted some copy from an article (although when asked to link it did not) that read like she was awake already, saw a man walking up the driveway, and opened the door in advance of him knocking.

Additionally, the alarm piece isn't clear. Some articles say she pushed a button to activate it, others say her opening the door alone activated it.

Neither of those change the main point, that her reaction falls within a reasonable scale of reactions, although I think her being awake initially, as well as if she manually turned on the alarm, would slide it closer to the overreaction side.
Can a person can have a reasonable reaction and that reaction can contribute to an overall negative outcome based on race/gender?
09-20-2013 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
Lol, this guy doesn't understand the discussion, either.
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
He was saying things like "Hello" and "Turn the alarm off" pretty scary stuff.
You're still at step 1.

This many posts in, these concepts still shouldn't be so difficult for you. But because you like to alter facts to suit your narrative, you're still having problems understanding the situation.
09-20-2013 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Can a person can have a reasonable reaction and that reaction can contribute to an overall negative outcome based on race/gender?
I mean do you honestly think that there is something wrong with a woman profiling based on gender in that spot?
09-20-2013 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Can a person can have a reasonable reaction and that reaction can contribute to an overall negative outcome based on race/gender?
Asked and answered previously, but of course?
09-20-2013 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
You don't think that continued knocking and yelling after the woman sets off the alarm (a not-so-subtle signal for him to leave their property) is threatening?
He could have been yelling mean stuff but considering the situation he was probably like glad someone WAS home and then alarm goes off and door slammed so he knocked and said stuff like "I know I'm black bitch but I just need help. Help!" trying to calm her down.
09-20-2013 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Women have the belief that male strangers late at night when they are alone are inherently dangerous. They are correct.
If women are scared of a guy at 2:30am and he happened to be white, she's being cautious.

If women are scared of a guy at 2:30am and he happened to be black, she's a racist.

There's a chance she was racist and there's a chance she wasn't racist. Zero reason to be outraged.
09-20-2013 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
You don't think that continued knocking and yelling after the woman sets off the alarm (a not-so-subtle signal for him to leave their property) is threatening?
According to the alarm service commercials on TV, most threats would have vacated the premises at the first sign of an alarm sound or would have been detered by the alarm service sign on the door.

If not in a panic a person might have the wherewithal to think "Why isn't this person leaving? Could something be wrong and they need help?"
09-20-2013 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by prana
He could have been yelling mean stuff but considering the situation he was probably like glad someone WAS home and then alarm goes off and door slammed so he knocked and said stuff like "I know I'm black bitch but I just need help. Help!" trying to calm her down.
Ferrell didn't do anything wrong. He just didn't see how his actions were mis-interpreted.

I would have acted the same way he did especially after accident.

There's literally zero blame for Ferrell here. Just really unlucky.
09-20-2013 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
According to the alarm service commercials on TV, most threats would have vacated the premises at the first sign of an alarm sound or would have been detered by the alarm service sign on the door.

If not in a panic a person might have the wherewithal to think "Why isn't this person leaving? Could something be wrong and they need help?"
Way to shoot your own argument down before you even start it.
09-20-2013 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Like this is pretty hilarious. A bunch of Internet Tough Guys dictating exactly what level of fear this lady is supposed to feel when she opens the door expecting to see her husband and instead seeing some discombobulated shoeless stranger. Clearly it is appropriate for her to feel enough fear where she instantly slams the door shut. Obviously! But feeling the level of fear where she presses the alarm button? MY GOD SHE'S A MONSTER
Too sweet to be sour, too nice to be mean
On the tough guy style I'm not too keen
To try to change the world, I will plot and scheme

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09-20-2013 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by prana
He could have been yelling mean stuff but considering the situation he was probably like glad someone WAS home and then alarm goes off and door slammed so he knocked and said stuff like "I know I'm black bitch but I just need help. Help!" trying to calm her down.
He probably was yelling stuff like he needs help, turn off the alarm, etc. It's still not unreasonable for her to interpret that as threatening. She's not thinking clearly -- not because she's irrational, but because she's had a biological, hormonal response -- the adrenaline rush associated with the flight-or-flight response. People like Wookie seem to be saying "hey, she should just STOP being afraid". Lol? What does he say to someone who's clinically depressed? Something like "Hey buddy, cheer up!" Boom, problem solved right!

This isn't something that she (or anyone) can control. She can't choose to react to him yelling for help and pounding on the door by taking a step back and calmly analyzing things. Her hormones are going to dictate how she responds -- and if she's in a fearful flight response she's going to interpret his continued knocking and yelling fearfully. But you have a bunch of Internet Tough Guys on a 99.999% male forum saying exactly how much adrenaline she should have allowed her adrenal glands to secrete in that spot. Good times.

      
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