Rich people don't drink Flint city water...

Prisoners dilemma. If company x don't poison it company y will and undercut x driving them out of business. Similarly if honest republican senator x doesnt take the bribe senator y will.

Flint water wasn't poisoned by a company for God's sake.

Flint's water issues is due to the fact that the city is poor and cannot replace the old lead pipes in the streets and the people that live there are poor and cannot replace the old lead pipes in the house.

Ya, no. None of the people facing criminal charges for the Flint water crisis are poors.

OK but you claim that rich people and poor people drink the same water. My view is that rich people and poor people drink different water, as seen in the recent Flint water scandal. Do you agree?

How crap, do you need a list of companies deliberately poisoning water? Do you know how rivers caught fire before the Clean Water Act? Check out a Lake Erie before and after? Think any people in NYC were swimming in the river in the 70s?

Their own self-interest. Their pay, prices, quality of life.

The Democrats tend to go on about a range of liberal issues: gay rights, gun control, race issues etc. These are all important issues but for the typical white working class voter gay marriage is not a high priority.

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my point was Obama did a lot for gay rights under his leadership democrats DIDNT drag their feet. A lot of great things happened between 2008-2016.

not whether or not it's a good tactic.

Republican politicians certainly spend a significant amount of pitching the destruction of it, and abortion, to voters you feel don't care about it, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio can't complete a sentence without bringing these up.

Are people swimming in NYC rivers now? I'd have to be way north of Albany before I'd dip my toes in the Hudson.

The solution is to liberate all the cows and pigs like in india and parts of mexico, have an ethical depopulation plan and regrow all the forest and watch the rivers clean themselves. duh

it would be reallyfun to watch the missouri river before it was covered by giant corporate genberators and waste and millions of people and just surrounded by bears and parrots and trees and deers

I'm pretty sure parrots aren't indigenous to the Missouri river.

no you are incorrect according to my class about the missouri kansas war and yes there was one.

Fair enough, I'd agree.

The bigger issue I posted about in the other thread:

Basically, the notion of a white steelworker saying, "Damn, how many Matthew Shepards does a guy have to torture and kill before he gets a raise around here?!" doesn't exactly make me want to throw down a hard, "touche."

Yeah and neither did very well in the race.

Republicans have not fared very well in recent history appealling on their core issues. Trump only "won" because he managed to persuade a sizeable number of stupid working class people that their problems were caused by foreigners and not wall st.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0f9723cfff87e

By the way, in his own way, awval is a great example of the Tragic Death here.

Democrats have consistently not only failed to articulate their own policies and why they would be good, they've done MUCH MUCH WORSE at drawing a contrast with the GOP's. People don't want slashed environmental regulations, that's why Trump slappies are inexplicably lying about the GOP's position on environmental issues. People don't want lower taxes on the wealthy, or block grants for Medicaid, or the VA to be privatized.

Now all that **** is going to happen, and the ****ing Democrats are so ****ing inept they won't even be able to say "I told you so".

Hudson is relatively clean now compared to what it was 20-30 years ago. I don't know about swimming but fishing has improved.

Did you see his stump speeches and what he ran on? He ran on lower taxes, reducing regulations at the EPA and other agencies and fixing the wait times at VA.

I'd have to be way north of Albany before I'd eat a fish caught in the Hudson.

You only can eat so many freshwater fish a month in many of the streams in the NY State, it's not just the Hudson (mercury contamination).

Garrison Keillor says Keith Ellison, 'lackluster black Muslim,' is wrong for DNC chair




The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party: A Screenplay

Old Democrat: We lose because we spend too much time with identity politics! We need to get back to grassroots working-class politics!

Young Democrat: O hey, I found this Rust Belt guy with working-class/union cred and he seems really good at Midwestern retail politics.

Old Democrat: An Islams? There you go again with your IDENTITY POLITICS!!!

(fin)