Why do we think we have to convert deplorables, again? There are huge swaths of eligible voters who sit out every election cycle who, I think, are not racist deplorables and who would probably be receptive to a more genuine class-based platform focused on reforms and social programs aimed at strengthening the economic security of low and middle-class Americans.

trying to convert a R voter is a giant waste of time.

Which polls. Oh wait - let us guess "all of them?"

lololol Trump won when polls said he was behind, chessmate. Remember how you dumb libs believed polls and thought HRC would have a 3 point edge on Trump. Well she only had a 2.2 point edge irl, dumb ass. WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

actually yea, all of them.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/

wisconsin and pennsylvania def suffered in polling from the "shy trump effect" (possibly michigan as well? dont care enough to go back and look), but those were really the only states iirc that had results outside of polling expectations/MoE

PA was fine in terms of polling. Poll averages there were like HRC +1.8 in the last days, not far off the result which was like DJT +0.6. The state polling was only significantly off the mark in the midwest, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota. NC was a lesser, but still somewhat large miss. Nationals were pretty much correct.

Man you would think from listening to Trump supporters that that result was so far off, it didn't just disprove those polls but all polls, numbers, math, and logic. We are obviously a bunch of suckers for believing in evidence and all that liberal crap.

well NC was rigged to be fair. Probably WI a bit too.

dems rig primaries, republicans rig the general.

The problem was all the insistence she was 99% to win. Even so, people think 80% is a lock (see every fish whining when aces get cracked) so yeah those people all ****ed up and deserve the scorn and took down math/logic in people's minds with them. Everybody thinks the weatherman sucks even though they are probably more accurate at their job than everyone else.

I got amused Nate Silver got a lot of heat for not being with the D status quo and then got slammed after by the R block anyway.

Yeah Trump won is the defintive disproof of data science and even of science generally. Climate change is fake because pollsters thought Clinton would win.

What if you are around them for eight hours a day and have seen trump voters change their minds?

Strategy wise sure go after the non voters. But things like the above are massive generalizations and inevitably wrong.

Dems should push nationwide vote-by-mail to deal with the pretend issue of voter fraud, but also to help shore up vote totals. Focus on message after it's easier to get non-voters to vote imo.

Right - perhaps some deja vu?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Z9lTUu3e8

why do you olds and autists always post random youtube links like anybody is going to click them? u got something totally hip that's not being covered in the lamestream fake news media to share with me, huh?

This is some real classic Tragic Death **** right here. Ugh.


https://twitter.com/JStein_Vox/statu...85873785282564

Call your Democratic Senators and tell them to #WithholdConsent on RepubliCare. This is ridiculous.

Democratic senators and congress people need to wake up. Seeing senators that see no point in slowing the AHCA process in the senate and are worried about backlash (what backlash) it's clear they aren't even playing the same game and the stakes are serious.

They have got to stop worrying so much about extending their pinky when sipping their tea and more about actually impacting the process any way possible.

LOL Jesus ****ing Christ we're going to have to primary all of them

^^^^^^^^^^

https://politicalwire.com/2017/06/13...ems-39-states/

Foreign country penetrates election system, Democrats file complaint with special colored phone.

The more various "Russia hacked the election" stories move on the range from unclear to definite, from haphazard to pervasive, from propaganda to vote rigging, the more the Obama Administration moves down the scale with it from "naively circumspect in action" to unforgivable hapless idiots.

Wouldn't want to harden Putin's resolve or anything.

Especially considering Russia's response was, yeah yeah yeah, we'll look into it, and then they kept on interfering. Yet Obama did nothing.

One of the funny jokes about Republicans recently, during the 2016 GOP primary debates, was something along the lines of "GOP candidates in furious debate as to who was President on 9/11."

Should the worst sort of dystopian Russian/American global authoritarian fascist alliance take shape, I am looking forward to arguing with other Democrats in the gulag as to just who was President when Russia rigged everything to make Trump President. Should we still be allowed to read history books, I hope the record is clear that it was Obama. And that he was not too distracted covering up his Kenyan birth to act.

One of the things that has made me skeptical and continued to make me skeptical about just how influential the Russians were in meddling with the election is that the posture of the Obama Administration and Senate Democrats on the Intelligence Committee in the leadup to the election, etc., doesn't really suggest it. They sure were kinda quiet and meek.

Now on the other hand, one of the things that gives me deep pause are these clear leaks from the Obama Admin now, today, in stories like these, that seemingly plead with journalists to get the story out there that they took DRASTIC measures. Hey now, we used THE RED PHONE, what more could we do?

For ****s sake.

"So there's that"

Related: one of the things that sucks about the party's intense focus on Russia is that this sort mentality creeps in. "Hey, we laid down on the GOP's ruinous health care plan, but here's some Russia sanctions." THANK GOODNESS.