Personality is a huge factor. Either Reagan or Obama would have crushed this year. Independent of personality though, the Wall st corporate owned DEMe is not popular.

This is sort of the tea party level purity test nonsense that hopefully won't catch on on the left. Nobody outside of the demi-monde could actually believe that.

lolmax, the left doesn't like you.

You don't actually talk about this, but I presume you are a big social liberal. Great. Probably you're also ok with charity enforced by the government. So you're not Ayn Rand. Anything structurally to the left, ie the difference between Warren/Sanders and Clinton/Obama it's pretty clear what camp you are in. Being fair, or maybe generous, it's the exact center, not the left.

You are free to pretend that Obama is "not on the left economically, not even a little". But people will just think you are crackpot.

No, they won't. As a community organizer and as a Senator, you're right. But as POTUS, outside the WSJ and Forbes (or the far right obv), lots and lots of very much not crackpots consider him a centrist.

Grunching a bit as have been traveling abroad and haven't kept up here but just a couple thoughts on what I have read. As to the "yay we are winning young people!" the two problems with that level of analysis are that people in general start more liberal and get more conservative as they age. I mean the "lol olds" that get discussed ad nauseum in this forum are mostly products of the 60s which was obviously not a hyper-conservative era.

The other thing is that sure we can't put all trump voters in one basket but I think they almost all fall into one of two baskets or both. Those being the racist deplorables and the other basket being the ones who saw hillary as a corrupt lying career politician that they would never vote for. I think very few trump voters fall into neithrr of those categories. Obviously there is a lot of overlap there to.

Add in the fact that Hillary is a terrible politican and you have a recipe for diasaster. She barely campaigned and acted like she had already won. She is unlikable and basically underperformed every single election she was ever in. She was also deeply disliked as flotus. I'm still in the camp that if the dems ran a real candidate this cycle they win and also do a lot better downballot

Yeah, only leftist tea party purity test crackpots like Bruce Bartlett think that Obama is a centrist.

http://www.theamericanconservative.c...-a-republican/

Centrist <> not on the left economically, not even a little. You're basically saying that someone like Paul Krugman is not on the left even a little because he prefers Obama/Clinton over Sanders....people will again just think you're a crackpot.

That's really stupid. First, center is not left.

Second I didn't say you were a centrist because you supported Obama. I said Obama is a centrist (economically - although he has been very moderate socially too) and that you are a centrist as well.

What's the O/U on 2p2 posters who don't think you're a centrist? 0? Maybe mongodig will call you a lefty.

Sigh....you have the perfect trifecta of being unable to read, think or engage politely. Any 2 out of the three is ok, but all 3 gets grating fast. I have never denied being a centrist. But I'm also on the left economically, just a little. I support more progressive taxation, largely through increases on high income earners and taxing capital gains closer to regular income (and equal to for high earners) for example. Those views are certainly on the left side of center.

Hillary was deeply disliked as flotus? Is that real? I am too young to have first hand knowledge.

1. Lol.

2. That is mildly surprising, but you are generally very long on trolling and short on substance so it probably never came up.

From the right, yes, absolutely. It was really ugly.

Oh, and Chelsea, too. Her looks were so frequently attacked that Bill had to threaten the full wrath of his office to put an end to it. She was 13 at the time.

Hillary Rodham was deeply disliked as FLOArkansas when she didn't change her name and insisted on being liberated. (she changed is later)

@Biesterfield Try this article for a good overview of her First Lady time.

Headline's pretty darn accurate.

Hillary Clinton’s History as First Lady: Powerful, but Not Always Deft

Man that's some pure microbetting right there. Its somehow MY FAULT you chose to make stupid and incorrect statements about my positions without knowing wtf you were talking about. Amazing.

You could very well be lying also.

standard max, spew diarrhea for three days then complain because the other guy doesn't see the "obvious" needle he buried in the seventeen metric tons of poop (and, there was never a needle)

that doesn't really prove that he's wrong. I mean, I think he would agree that the general population doesn't think Hil is a neocon, but regardless, she still is in favor of endless war and wall street bailouts.

Mostly it's just not true. It's really completely not remarkable at all to suggest that Obama has been a centrist as President. But yeah, 40% of people will call you a crackpot for believing in evolution. Many Democrats will call you a crackpot for suggesting a family that makes $100 million giving speeches to Wall St. might have a corruption problem. Most Republicans and some Democrats will call you a crackpot for suggesting that a bunch of billionaires and corporations have systematically and effectively altered the political landscape of the US for the last 40 years. etc.

There was blistering, white-hot hate at everything associated with the Clintons coming from Republicans. They were hating on Chelsea for whatever reason. I think the cat might have caught some haterade.

Just amazing stuff man. Say wrong stuff about someone, blame them for the fact that you didn't know, then accuse them of lying!

Meanwhile....here is an exchange from 8 months ago

The thing is Max: you're a troll. It's like 90%+ of your raison d'etre. There's really no reason to ever take you seriously. Maybe you do serious work in SMP though.