We can go back and check but I’d bet she got more than 15k votes in Queens during her 1st Senate primary.

LOL, wait, Max's last post was serious?

HAHAHAHAHA he still has no idea what happened in 2016

Lol. Aren’t you still on team Greenwald? Apologies if that was some other moron.

I think Yglesias had a good tweet about this today.

In political parlance, we kind of assume moderates to be people who hold all of these concurrent positions that are in between the liberal and conservative stances. When what they really hold is a hodgepodge of these extreme positions on both sides. So when a pro-gun pro-UHC person is given a choice between Trump (pro-gun, anti-UHC) and Hillary (anti-gun, ambivalent on UHC) they will probably choose Trump. When given the choice between someone who fully supports one thing they support but opposes one thing they support, then it comes down to what they support more.

This is such a slam dunk obvious move for the Democrats to give liberals a reason to show up to the polls by running on things that liberals actually like. But they're gonna **** it up by running "centrist, establishment" candidates and trying to convince David Brooks and Ross Douthat to vote Democrat in 2018 and 2020.

Agree 100 percent

Just looking at healthcare, when the Dems say "you can keep your plan" but the GOP says "you can keep your plan" and also says healthcare resources for poor people will be reduced or eliminated, implying that those with existing satisfactory plans will by extension be potentially better off (even if that's not true), then "you can keep your plan" is in and of itself attracting zero voters

And this always gets brought up as "some people are happy with their health plan." Guess what, those people are already voting republican, and the standard dem position does nothing to make them change their vote.

Great post Zimmer. Ezra Klein wrote an article about this a few years ago: https://www.vox.com/2014/7/8/5878293...-word-moderate

The American Voter Bot on twitter is a good reminder of this, too.

That's a very good article

What Democrats still don't seem to understand is that most people who claim to be persuadable are not in fact persuadable. Suburban mommies will always tell pollsters they care about education and health care, and democrats always poll better on those issues. But news flash, these people are not voting for Democrats. They're racist as ****, and exactly nobody replies "my visceral dislike for minorities" when a pollster asks them what drives their vote.

Right. And when someone answers “I care about my kids getting an education, Democrats half assed attempt to talk about making education better isn’t going to move the needle for someone whose idea of a better public education is one where their children are further separated from any contact with minority children.

BDaniella Greenbaum (@DGreenbaum) Tweeted:
Look its not complicated. The progressive wing of the democratic party is not going to win any votes from conservatives or republicans, plenty of whom would gladly vote for a centrist democrat in the next election. https://twitter.com/DGreenbaum/statu...459952130?s=17[/B]

That tweet has it so wrong. Many are screaming out for something radical rather than more of the same mainstream **** they think has been letting them down for so long. Some of the same things that drives them into the arms of right wing populism will bring a chunk of them to a radically progressive agenda from the left.

These liberals really need to start voting in primaries then. Oh right, forgot about the hyper fine tuned excuse making.

Max,

You aren't on our team. GTFO, bro.

So scared they even inserted a clause into the constitution barring her from running until 2024.

fyp

dumb, I know, but I couldn't let that just sit there. (also, certainly more accurate)

LOOOOOOOOOL Max still trying to be condescending after his team lost to a ****ing millennial bartender with no campaign funds. gl defending the most incompetent clownshow in the history of politics. When Bloomberg loses to Trump you'll be even more smug, I'm sure.


In other news, the kid knows how to do optics:

It's an inside-the-bubble thing to think that most people have a coherent enough political philosophy to even know what is considered "extreme". Hundreds of thousands of people voted for Obama and then Trump. These people don't think about politics the way wonks assume they do.

which is why i said im assuming its a joke, because i assumed he knew she was 28 and isnt eligible until 35. thanks for spelling it out, bro.

That was so much worse than I remembered and I hate you for getting me to watch it.

A good read on the DSA organizing behind AOC victory

https://medium.com/@michael.kinnucan...z-a5e8a8d40afb

I didn't spell it out, I continued with the joke. My post was funny because the Democrats didn't actually insert anything into the constitution. That clause has been there since the 1700's and was probably written by James Madison or someone, who as historical scholars are probably aware, was not a Democrat, nor did he have any specific fear of Ocasio-Cortez. Spelling the joke out would look more like saying "she's 28 and isnt eligible until 35."

Goddamn this rotten party.

Sounds like you should sit at a bus stop with luggage or something (like one of Hawaii's precious tourists might) and hold up a sign saying "I am breaking Mayor Caldwell's law"

Bans on sitting, lying down, and sleeping are some of the most infuriating things in the world. I hate them passionately.

What we have isn't freedom. Democracy != Freedom. This is more like it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedo...rdic_countries

How bad is the homeless problem in Hawaii? I'd have a hard time believing it's as bad as San Francisco - when you have to start dodging human turds on the sidewalks, things are getting a bit out of control, and I understand why people get edgy about it.....

MM MD