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08-02-2014 , 03:28 PM

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Israel has tried softer approaches. They withdrew after beating down intifadas. They invested heavily in Palestinian territories and tried to cooperate economically. They tried offering citizenship to Palestinians in East Jerusalem. They tried just during this conflict, to offer 50 billion in economic aid in exchange for demilitarization.

They were rewarded with suicide bombers, kidnappings, and rockets.

Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice?

08-02-2014 , 03:29 PM

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To say Muslims were fully supportive of Nazis is just completely false, ridiculous and ignorant. Do your history, they were majorly pro Allies during WW2 and Anti-Colonialism. If anything they were Anti-Zionism, but Anti-Semitism during the War is a false narrative. Albania was a huge harbor for Jewish refugees(the ONLY European country to have more Jewish people post WW2) and the majority of Muslims were anti-nazism.

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08-02-2014 , 03:30 PM

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So because I condemn Hamas, I also hate all muslims? Or does the reach of organizational criticism only extend to full on geno-hatred when Jewish people are involved?

No its the nature of the event if someone is wrong and you condemn them for it that just means you have pointed it out. if you are consistently condemning someone when they are usually the ones in the right that demonstrates a dislike for that particular individual.

08-02-2014 , 03:30 PM

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Yeah because all Palestinians deserve to be punished for the suicide bombers, kidnappers and rocket firers.

Should all Israelis be punished for the actions of over-zealous soldiers or settlers?

08-02-2014 , 03:33 PM

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To say Muslims were fully supportive of Nazis is just completely false, ridiculous and ignorant

The ones fighting Israel were as stated my granddad fled that region due to them been on the Nazi side.

08-02-2014 , 03:36 PM

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I don't see how the (current) success of the Iron Dome system has any bearing on the right of Israel to defend itself. These are rockets fired into residential areas by Hamas with the intent of killing civilians.

Hamas has already tried several tactics to defeat the Iron Dome (targeting new locations, firing volleys of several rockets at once, etc.). They don't get points for not being as successful at killing Israeli civilians as they'd like.

Err, if they can defend themselves with the Iron Dome and don't need to slaughter thousands of civilians it has a pretty huge bearing when you claim they have the right to do this slaughtering because they have to defend themselves.

08-02-2014 , 03:40 PM

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The ones fighting Israel were as stated my granddad fled that region due to them been on the Nazi side.

It's still ridiculous to claim your grandfather fled Israel during WW2 because of Muslims, and even more ridiculous to use that as an argument for all of Muslims, and even more so use that as an argument for all current Muslims.

08-02-2014 , 03:41 PM

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And they have encroached even more since then. Palestinians really can do nothing about it.

Palestinian land?

Who's your favorite Palestinian king?

08-02-2014 , 03:44 PM

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Israel isn't an individual. Nor is Hamas.
And I'll happily disagree with the policies if each of those parties when logic dictates (to me) that I should.
I hope I will be able to continue to do so without my friends and family all of a sudden thinking I'm out to eradicate all Jews and Muslims on the planet.

08-02-2014 , 03:46 PM

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The ones fighting Israel were as stated my granddad fled that region due to them been on the Nazi side.

And we all know that anecdotal evidence should be used to draw sweepingly generalized conclusions.

08-02-2014 , 03:47 PM

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Palestinian land?

Who's your favorite Palestinian king?

You need to have kings to have land now?
The Roman republic would like a word.

08-02-2014 , 03:49 PM

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Ok fair enough.
Who's your favorite Palestinian president / ruler pre1948?

08-02-2014 , 03:54 PM

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http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/5643133?1406933900

08-02-2014 , 04:06 PM

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Ok fair enough.
Who's your favorite Palestinian president / ruler pre1948?

Isn't this sort of like asking which Israeli ruler is your favorite pre 1948?
The particular region has switched rule so many times that claims to it are somewhat obscure. At least in my opinion, especially since both Arabs and Jews have the same forefathers.

08-02-2014 , 04:13 PM

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Israelis are not claiming the Palestinians are on their land.
Oh and my favorite Israeli king is king David

08-02-2014 , 04:15 PM

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No the point is that Israel is villified for killing civilians during the conflict, while Hamas has been trying for years to kill as many civilians as possible.

At any rate Iron Dome is not a magical force field, it does not protect Israel from every threat (tunnels, suicide bombers, etc.)

08-02-2014 , 04:22 PM

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Israelis are not claiming the Palestinians are on their land.
Oh and my favorite Israeli king is king David

Do you often take the bible as the basis for truth?
I ask because to my knowledge the bible is the only known source of information about King David.

08-02-2014 , 04:23 PM

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Walls seem to offer fairly good protection against suicide bombers.
Also, please point to the posters in this thread who sympathize with the methods employed by Hamas.

08-02-2014 , 04:24 PM

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I'm not religious. Palestinians however say Israel took land that's theirs. There is not one mention anywhere on record that the land was ever theirs.

08-02-2014 , 04:25 PM

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"But that international terrorist organization doesn't care about civilian casualties!"

I don't see how this is really much of a counter-argument, given that no one is defending rocket attacks by Hamas.

08-02-2014 , 04:26 PM

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I'm not religious. Palestinians however say Israel took land that's theirs. There is not one mention anywhere on record that the land was ever theirs.

Palestine was under Arab rule for centuries and more centuries?

08-02-2014 , 04:28 PM

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Exactly. So the land was never theirs.

08-02-2014 , 04:28 PM

#248

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I'm not religious. Palestinians however say Israel took land that's theirs. There is not one mention anywhere on record that the land was ever theirs.

A lot of them seem to have keys and deeds to land in the area that date back hundreds of years, but that's not proof huh.

Not sure how the European Ashkenazis who moved to Israel in the late 1800s/1900s have any 'mention on record' other than the old testament?

I know there were also Mizrahi jews living in the area, but actually most Israeli Mizrahis came from Iraq/iran/Syria and other places outside of Israel.

08-02-2014 , 04:30 PM

#249

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Exactly. So the land was never theirs.

It was though. As it was Jewish at many points throughout history as well.

At some stages, the two people even lived peacefully amongst one another.

08-02-2014 , 04:30 PM

#250

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Exactly. So the land was never theirs.

Don't you owe some native Americans some land and money? I mean, America has been under European rule for the last 500 years, but really that doesn't mean that the land is yours, does it?

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