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09-08-2014 , 02:29 PM

#251

microbet

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Freedom lovers shouldn't want to limit the feds ability to check local gov's abuses.

09-08-2014 , 02:51 PM

#252

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Tangentially related - I'm curious where things like worker protections fit into the "weak federal government, strong local government" idea. I was recently reading about the mid 1800s in the US when workers were striking against 12 hour work days (sometimes succeeding, sometimes not) and child labor was widespread. If you're a libertarian and the free market is like "yo we're very pro-inhumane working conditions" do you just throw your hands up and say "well, the market wants what it wants"?

09-08-2014 , 02:57 PM

#253

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Further tangent, and again devil's advocate, what should be done regarding bad labor conditions in other countries?

Fwiw, I think the fed should regulate min standards for the US. Trade policy should consider labor conditions. But, also in many cases, it should be left to the consumer.

09-08-2014 , 03:35 PM

#254

ikestoys

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Freedom lovers shouldn't want to limit the feds ability to check local gov's abuses.

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Originally Posted by microbet

Ok, but one person's check on the abuse of local government is another person's federal overreach.

09-08-2014 , 04:05 PM

#255

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The reason people like their local governments is because the way the money flows. The feds take a big chunk of taxes, but give a bunch of that to local and state governments. The state takes a big chunk, but gives a bunch of that to locals. Locals get to spend their tax revenue and phat stacks of the revenue shared from above, so it seems like a better deal.

Note: ikes wanted the federal government to tyrannically prevent New Kelo, CT, from exercising a clearly constitutional taking.

09-08-2014 , 04:21 PM

#256

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I liked Douthat's piece on Rotherdam, here is the middle.

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The crucial issue in both scandals isn’t some problem that’s exclusive to traditionalism or progressivism. Rather, it’s the protean nature of power and exploitation, and the way that very different forms of willful blindness can combine to frustrate justice.

So instead of looking for ideological vindication in these stories, it’s better to draw a general lesson. Show me what a culture values, prizes, puts on a pedestal, and I’ll tell you who is likely to get away with rape.

In Catholic Boston or Catholic Ireland, that meant men robed in the vestments of the church.

In Joe Paterno’s pigskin-mad Happy Valley, it meant a beloved football coach.

In status-conscious, education-obsessed Manhattan, it meant charismatic teachers at an elite private school.

In Hollywood and the wider culture industry — still the great undiscovered country of sexual exploitation, I suspect — it has often meant the famous and talented, from Roman Polanski to the BBC’s Jimmy Savile, robed in the authority of their celebrity and art.

And in Rotherham, it meant men whose ethnic and religious background made them seem politically untouchable, and whose victims belonged to a class that both liberal and conservative elements in British society regard with condescension or contempt.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/op...rotherham.html

What do you guys think of Russ in general? I think he is a solid conservative voice.

09-08-2014 , 04:24 PM

#257

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Interesting piece on Campaign Finance Reform

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In truth, what makes this field of law so difficult is that the tensions cannot be avoided by categorical or definitional rejections of the valid concerns on both sides of the debate. Teachout’s important new book reminds us that corruption—in its more expansive sense of excessive private interest undermining public virtue—poses very real risks to a functioning democracy, risks that were foreseen at the founding, and that have preoccupied politicians, statesmen, and jurists for the entire course of our nation’s history. Today’s Court has sought to deny those concerns through a definitional strategy that cannot be squared either with that history or with the actual effects of money on our politics. Teachout’s intervention does not provide all the answers, but is a much-needed corrective. Only when the Court begins to grapple with the full extent of the dangers of corruption will its campaign finance jurisprudence truly reflect the competing values at stake.

09-08-2014 , 04:28 PM

#258

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

Note: ikes wanted the federal government to tyrannically prevent New Kelo, CT, from exercising a clearly constitutional taking.

lol clearly constitutional, won 5-4 and required reading the phrase of 'public use' as 'give land to a private venture to build a strip mall'

09-08-2014 , 04:55 PM

#259

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Fall 2015?

I heard they may time it for the 2016 election season

09-08-2014 , 04:58 PM

#260

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Originally Posted by seattlelou

I liked Douthat's piece on Rotherdam, here is the middle.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/op...rotherham.html

What do you guys think of Russ in general? I think he is a solid conservative voice.

I haven't read extensively about Rotherdam, does anyone know what this specifically is talking about?

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And in Rotherham, it meant men whose ethnic and religious background made them seem politically untouchable

Muslim Pakistani men are "politically untouchable" in Britain? I haven't yet read a clear explanation of why the police refused to investigate or perhaps even covered it up. Were they in on it?

09-08-2014 , 05:33 PM

#261

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Here is a quick background on the story.

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The numbers are shocking: at least 1,400 children sexually abused over a 16-year period in an English town of less than 300,000 people. Children “raped by multiple perpetrators, trafficked … abducted, beaten and intimidated. There were examples of children who had been doused in petrol and threatened with being set alight.”

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The report states that victims, most said to be white Britons, identified the perpetrators as being of Asian or Pakistani descent, and it notes a reluctance among children’s social care workers to draw conclusions about abuse within Rotherham’s Asian and Pakistani communities.

“Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so,” the report says.

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/...827-story.html

09-08-2014 , 05:39 PM

#262

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That still doesn't make sense. You don't have to stereotype all Pakistani men as rapists to investigate specific alleged cases of rape.

09-08-2014 , 05:39 PM

#263

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0H30OS20140908

Nagin's sentence started today.

09-08-2014 , 05:45 PM

#264

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That still doesn't make sense. You don't have to stereotype all Pakistani men as rapists to investigate specific alleged cases of rape.

From the reading of it and a couple other pieces there wasn't a racial component in the actual reporting of individual incidents but more in the conclusions the police and government did or didn't want to reach.

09-08-2014 , 05:56 PM

#265

seattlelou

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I don't have a great handle on how this happened tbf. It does not make sense on a lot of levels.

09-08-2014 , 08:29 PM

#266

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Only Monday and it looks like Troll of the Week is already locked up.

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A new billboard with the message "Gods Loves Gays" debuted Monday in Topeka, Kansas, the home city of the Westboro Baptist Church, the notorious congregation known for picketing funerals with signs bearing anti-gay slogans.