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09-01-2014 , 08:34 AM
Happy Labor Day, Politards!

09-01-2014 , 09:19 AM
09-01-2014 , 09:44 AM
To continue the Kelo discussion, apparently ikes got JTM to sign onboard to his

"the federal government, specifically the judicial branch thereof, should make policy based decisions to override the duly elected choices of lower levels of government when a court disagrees with those choices"

argument, but somehow I think this principle is limited to literally the most important question in America today: eminent domain.

Libertarians, everybody, libertarians.
09-01-2014 , 12:14 PM
huh?
09-01-2014 , 12:18 PM
m2b seemed to be thinking that people that wanted "small government" desired all-powerful governments that ruled over small geographic areas, which afaik, nobody wants. Apologies if I missed some context or something.
09-01-2014 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
m2b seemed to be thinking that people that wanted "small government" desired all-powerful governments that ruled over small geographic areas, which afaik, nobody wants. Apologies if I missed some context or something.
Yeah it kinda seems like you maybe missed the past, I dunno, two centuries or so of American politics(states rights? judicial activism? any of that ringing a bell?), but good guess at what M2B "seemed to be thinking".
09-01-2014 , 12:57 PM
Boston Globe endorsed Martha Coakley's opponent for gov in the primary which is kind of unexpected. She's the one who lost Ted Kennedy's seat.
09-01-2014 , 01:03 PM
I'm voting for Evan Falchuk, because being the founder of the United Independent Party sounds ridiculous.
09-01-2014 , 01:13 PM
Coakley is still the frontrunner for the Dems, so I can't tell if this is the Globe trying to push her further left when she wins or if something is rotten in Denmark.
09-01-2014 , 01:29 PM
I don't really pay enough attention to what happens on your side of the Quabbin to speculate. Just gonna vote for people with funny names.
09-01-2014 , 01:31 PM
Also, Grossman kinda looks like the Crypt Keeper. How cool would it be to have that guy as governor?
09-01-2014 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
m2b seemed to be thinking that people that wanted "small government" desired all-powerful governments that ruled over small geographic areas, which afaik, nobody wants. Apologies if I missed some context or something.
The main thrust of small government arguments has been to push for localized control over monolithic federal authority. The Supreme Court in Kelo was allowing exactly what libertarians and other small government types have been arguing for by deferring to the judgement of locally elected officials. Perhaps that isn't what you support, fine. If the proposition you support, however, is that "small government" means a government that has very limited power to affect your property rights, then Kelo, a case in which the government had to provide just compensation to the land owners involved before those land owner's property rights could be taken, is a strange banner to be raising for your cause.

You should be arguing against state police powers instead of the takings clause. Euclid v. Ambler gives the state incredibly broad authority to take away your property rights without compensating you at all.

Edit: And the level of deference given to authorities making zoning decisions is higer than for the takings clause, too.

Last edited by Money2Burn; 09-01-2014 at 02:13 PM.
09-01-2014 , 02:09 PM
An interesting sideline to the N. Korean wrasslin' diplomacy.

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Pyongyang, North Korea (CNN) -- Three Americans detained in North Korea spoke out about their conditions and pleaded for U.S. help in interviews with CNN.
Kenneth Bae, Matthew Todd Miller and Jeffrey Edward Fowle were presented to CNN's Will Ripley at a Pyongyang hotel Monday. Each was given five minutes for an interview.
All three men said they hope the U.S. government will send an envoy to North Korea to help get them out of their situations, similar to how former President Bill Clinton helped secure the release of two journalists in 2009.
Bae, who is serving a 15-year prison sentence for "hostile acts to bring down its government," said he is working eight hours a day, six days a week at a labor camp.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/01/world/...html?hpt=hp_t2
09-01-2014 , 02:36 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/29/tech...html?hpt=hp_t2

lolcomcast and US internet speeds
09-01-2014 , 03:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
m2b seemed to be thinking that people that wanted "small government" desired all-powerful governments that ruled over small geographic areas, which afaik, nobody wants. Apologies if I missed some context or something.
No you didn't that's exactly what happened.
09-01-2014 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
No you didn't that's exactly what happened.
Ikes, how do you feel about the 10th Amendment?
09-01-2014 , 05:12 PM
If you appreciate your derp coming from the left this salon article on why Uber must be stopped is for you. http://www.salon.com/2014/08/31/why_...st_be_stopped/
09-01-2014 , 05:25 PM
I appreciated the very earnest call to action that neglected to include any example of what that action might be or how it might help a situation that doesn't currently exist. Very forward thinking!
09-01-2014 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
If you appreciate your derp coming from the left this salon article on why Uber must be stopped is for you. http://www.salon.com/2014/08/31/why_...st_be_stopped/
Yeah really don't get why some liberals are so uptight about Uber. Of all the slightly sub-optimal-market policies to defend, Taxi cartels are a really bad place to make a stand. If my fellow lefties are looking for something to hang their hat on here, how about better public transit infrastructure, so regressive schemes like Taxis and Uber are less necessary?
09-01-2014 , 05:40 PM
It seems that every website (left, right, middle) feels the need to comment on every topic these days and provide a #hottake. I see a Salon editor assigning an Uber story and the guy churns it out following the company philosophy.
09-01-2014 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Turn Prophet
Yeah really don't get why some liberals are so uptight about Uber. Of all the slightly sub-optimal-market policies to defend, Taxi cartels are a really bad place to make a stand. If my fellow lefties are looking for something to hang their hat on here, how about better public transit infrastructure, so regressive schemes like Taxis and Uber are less necessary?
From my experience the resistance comes from the notion that unions and regulations are always good and necessary.
09-01-2014 , 07:14 PM
Or just blatant knee jerk reaction to the positive press uber gets on the right
09-01-2014 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
From my experience the resistance comes from the notion that unions and regulations are always good and necessary.
Number of lefties that actually think this way is pretty exaggerated in my experience.
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Or just blatant knee jerk reaction to the positive press uber gets on the right
Seems more likely to me. No one is immune to tribalism, and when one's foes really like something, the instinct is to be skeptical.
09-01-2014 , 08:25 PM
^Tru dat. It took me awhile to accept Fly's NBA posts. Eventually I realized he was very good at the NBA.
09-01-2014 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
If you appreciate your derp coming from the left this salon article on why Uber must be stopped is for you. http://www.salon.com/2014/08/31/why_...st_be_stopped/
Actual argument made against uber: "when automated cars become cheaper and safer, uber will switch to them."

      
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