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03-07-2017 , 10:01 PM

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Huehuecoyotl

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so far, yes

03-07-2017 , 10:05 PM

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Max Cut

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What?

Spicer's defense of the bill is basically: 'It's less pages than Obamacare ergo it's better QED'?

Did I understand that correctly?

Is this a simulation?

That government is best which governs with the least pages. Kappa

03-07-2017 , 10:06 PM

#17328

Huehuecoyotl

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I get the feeling this Presidency thinks that governance is measuring stacks of paper.

03-07-2017 , 10:07 PM

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so, just to recap, since the trump dossier became public, we've had a number of confirmations of bits and pieces of the report, and (to date) a total of zero pieces of information that refute anything in the report, is that correct?

Trump posted a photo of the front cover of his lawyer's passport on twitter. CHECKMATE.

03-07-2017 , 10:11 PM

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LOL, so now Hawaii is challenging the new travel ban. What exactly is the issue this time? I assume we just find another far left judge and this ends up in the Supreme Court

03-07-2017 , 10:16 PM

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LOL, so now Hawaii is challenging the new travel ban. What exactly is the issue this time? I assume we just find another far left judge and this ends up in the Supreme Court

The whole "travel ban" thing is incredibly wasteful theater. But that's probably not the specific issue Hawaii has with it. Was there no explanation from the source where you got that information?

03-07-2017 , 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pvn

Yes, and a number of dead Russians diplomates.

03-07-2017 , 10:19 PM

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BMOL33

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Originally Posted by Max Cut

The whole "travel ban" thing is incredibly wasteful theater. But that's probably not the specific issue Hawaii has with it. Was there no explanation from the source where you got that information?

CNN just reported it in the last few minutes, there were not too many details yet.

03-07-2017 , 10:19 PM

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LOL, so now Hawaii is challenging the new travel ban. What exactly is the issue this time? I assume we just find another far left judge and this ends up in the Supreme Court

[WAAHHHHH] WHY WON'T THEY JUST LET THE FASCIST DO HIS FASCISM IN PEACE[/WAHHHHH]

03-07-2017 , 10:25 PM

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Best Trump response? How about "I met the ambassador in my capacity as a corrupt businessman, nothing to do with the election."

They went with "So what, Russianness was diluted by the presence of multiple other ambassadors at the meeting, nothing to see."

03-07-2017 , 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days

Eric Bolling was ripping the AHCA even. Anytime I've ever seen that guy talk he has been huge in the tank for Trump.

Did you see the HBO series "Rome?" In it Pompey had some motion passed against Caesar in the Senate knowing that Mark Antony would veto it, allowing him to save face with his followers while all along not getting the motion passed which he didn't want passed anyway (spoiler: it didn't quite work out like he planned).

Anyway that's kind of what I think is going on in the (US) Senate. It will die there while allowing most Repubs to save face ("Hey, we tried"). Then they can run against Obamacare in perpetuity.

03-07-2017 , 10:30 PM

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LOL, so now Hawaii is challenging the new travel ban. What exactly is the issue this time? I assume we just find another far left judge and this ends up in the Supreme Court

Even if we assume that there's no merit at all to the lawsuit, lol at getting mad at the left. The Right wrote the book on opposition governance, and filing bogus lawsuits is covered in chapter 1. Perhaps you missed the 8 years of Obamacare litigation.

03-07-2017 , 10:30 PM

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Why Jeff Sessions must resign

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When the Attorney General of the United States is caught misleading or lying to Congress, such an occurrence is shocking and has historically forced the Attorney General to resign. After all, as Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said last week, “There cannot be even the scintilla of doubt about the impartiality and fairness of the Attorney General, the top law enforcement official of the land.”

But for Jeff Sessions, the particular misleading statements are much worse, because of what he was testifying to Congress about: illicit contacts with a foreign power that was in the process of interfering with a U.S. election in order to try to swing the outcome. It is not only shocking — it is completely unprecedented in our nation’s history.

Consider the two disgraced Attorneys General of the past 50 years: Richard Kleindienst and Alberto Gonzales. In 1972, Kleindienst was asked at his confirmation hearings whether he had discussed a pending Justice Department antitrust investigation with the Nixon White House. He denied such a discussion took place, but the infamous Nixon tapes, once they came to light, clearly proved that Kleindienst lied. Kleindienst ultimately resigned. As for Gonzales, he was less than candid with Congress about the surveillance programs being conducted by the National Security Agency, and ultimately he too was forced to resign.

But neither Kleindienst nor Gonzales was ever involved in a potential conspiracy with a foreign power to interfere with a U.S. presidential election. Sessions, on the other hand, conducted at least two meetings with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian Ambassador to the United States, during the time Sessions was acting as a high-level surrogate for the Trump campaign. As Richard Painter, George W. Bush’s chief ethics lawyer in the White House from 2005 to 2007, has said, “the facts now in this investigation are much worse than the facts in the early stages of Watergate.”

The content of Sessions’ meetings with Kislyak may well be innocent. But the fact that Sessions failed to disclose to Congress that the meetings took place is an independent problem that, as with Kleindienst and Gonzales, requires Sessions to resign. And of course, if these meetings were so innocent, one wonders why Sessions went out of his way to deny their very existence during his confirmation hearings.

Furthermore, the meetings Sessions concealed did not take place in a vacuum. Trump’s original National Security Advisor, Mike Flynn, has already resigned after unsuccessfully trying to disguise the nature of his conversations with Kislyak. Now, we have news of another Flynn meeting with the Russians, along with Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law. And at least two other Trump campaign officials, Carter Page and J.D. Gordon, also met with Kislyak at the Republican National Convention last summer. Perhaps not coincidentally, Gordon was also the person who — on behalf of Trump — worked to soften language in the Republican Party Platform regarding how forcefully to defend Ukraine against Russian aggression.

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The White House continues to insist that there is nothing at the heart of all these Russia ties. And that may turn out to be true. But we will never know unless there is a full investigation conducted by an independent counsel. This should not be a partisan issue. As Painter argues, Republicans should not want to become the pro-Putin party, so both parties should be able to agree that a complete accounting of Russian ties to the White House is crucial. Regardless of the ultimate result of that investigation, we should all be able to agree that Sessions at a minimum did not testify truthfully and completely to Congress on a key issue of national security, and as a result he is no longer fit to be Attorney General.

Paul Schiff Berman is the Walter S. Cox Professor of Law at George Washington University Law School and the author of Global Legal Pluralism, published by Cambridge University Press in 2012.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...ns-must-resign

03-07-2017 , 10:31 PM

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They went with "So what, Russianness was diluted by the presence of multiple other ambassadors at the meeting, nothing to see."

That and, "Did you know the CIA can hear your voice while you're playing Angry Birds?"

03-07-2017 , 10:33 PM

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Who would've thought that Hawaii would have a problem with measures that drastically reduce tourism to the U.S. for no gain whatsoever in terms of security.

https://twitter.com/MONEY/status/837312814377287680

03-07-2017 , 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BMOL33

LOL, so now Hawaii is challenging the new travel ban. What exactly is the issue this time? I assume we just find another far left judge and this ends up in the Supreme Court

They filed the previous time, but their suit got put on hold while another judge took a whack at the travel ban pinata.

03-07-2017 , 10:35 PM

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Eric Bolling was ripping the AHCA even. Anytime I've ever seen that guy talk he has been huge in the tank for Trump.

Of course he was. The right has been peddling bull**** so long that they've grown accustomed to the smell. Half of them earnestly believe that if they repeal Obamacare then premiums will come down and more people will have insurance. The other half know that's complete bull****, but they can't come out and explain it to the bull**** believers without giving up the game. Not that the believers would stop huffing that sweet bull**** anyway--it's good stuff.

03-07-2017 , 10:40 PM

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Who would've thought that Hawaii would have a problem with measures that drastically reduce tourism to the U.S. for no gain whatsoever in terms of security.

Perhaps Trump doesn't hate Muslims and only did this to hurt the Hawaiian officials who are hiding the secrets behind Obama's birth

03-07-2017 , 10:49 PM

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Remember when WikiLeaks' nonsense was passed off as just a personal grudge against Hillary? She's out of politics and they're dumping docs on the same day GOPCare is revealed.

03-07-2017 , 10:53 PM

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They want this thing done in a month?

03-07-2017 , 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by microbet

That's goofy and half the internet agrees.

just one thought - https://theamericanscholar.org/to-th...-romanticism/#

But, w/e, it's certainly trivially easy to trace a path from Plato or Aristotle to Fascism as well, but you can trace a path from them to Ghandi in another route. In fact, the path from Thoreau to Tolstoy to Ghandi is really clear.

Thoreau was an abolitionist and, although I haven't read Civil Disobedience yet, I'm pretty sure he was big on personal liberty for all humans.

zikzak,

I drove off and felt guilty about calling your post goofy and it was too late to edit. It's not goofy and I've heard that before. I just don't think it's Thoreau's fault or the fault of writing poetry about it being cool to be alone in the woods if some Nazis took up some aspect of naturalism harkening back to a primitive time or mutated individualism into ubermenchism.

03-07-2017 , 10:54 PM

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They want this thing done in a month?

I believe the recess is April 12 and they want to pass it before then because recess means Town Halls. If they thought people were pissed before...

03-07-2017 , 10:56 PM

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Doesn't matter. I copied your post to the LC thread and got about halfway through a long and detailed reply. Then I got up for a beer and when I came back the page had refreshed it was gone. I give up.

03-07-2017 , 10:56 PM

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No healthcare bill is going to work. We need to go the system almost every other country in the world has. I wonder how long it takes before it finally happens.

03-07-2017 , 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by vaya

Remember when WikiLeaks' nonsense was passed off as just a personal grudge against Hillary? She's out of politics and they're dumping docs on the same day GOPCare is revealed.

further proving they're not a puppet of russian intelligence by publishing secret cia espionage methods

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