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Paul Manafort's daughter's alleged texts:

"You know he has killed people in Ukraine? Knowingly," Andrea Manafort allegedly wrote of her father in March 2015 in an angry series of texts to her sister, Jessica, about her father's personal and professional life.
"Remember when there were all those deaths taking place. A while back. About a year ago. Revolts and what not," reads another text in reference to the bloodshed in Kiev.
"Do you know whose strategy that was to cause that, to send those people out and get them slaughtered."

"He has no moral or legal compass," Andrea allegedly wrote about her father earlier as part of the same conversation.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/10/politi...xts/index.html

This kind of stuff is political sewage and should not be reported by legitimate media.

03-11-2017 , 12:25 PM

#17827

Autocratic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

This kind of stuff is political sewage and should not be reported by legitimate media.

Completely disagree. In a perfect world, journalism consists entirely of the published texts of public figures' children.

03-11-2017 , 12:38 PM

#17828

goofyballer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wheatrich

this will come as a shock to all of you I'm sure but Pence was lying when he said he didn't know about flynn's turkey stuff till tuesday--when not only did it hit the main news for a bit--well it also turns out cummings (D-house ethics committee) told him about it 3 months ago.

Source? If this is true, and a publicly elected Democrat official on the House Ethics Committee knew about this Flynn foreign agent **** before he was ever working for the WH yet it's only becoming public knowledge now, well after he resigned due to a different scandal...

Spoiler:

BURN IT ALL DOWN

03-11-2017 , 12:57 PM

#17829

RV Life

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This is gonna be interesting. I assume Sessions or Trump will just fire him.

03-11-2017 , 01:01 PM

#17830

HastenDan

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Yeah was reading up on it last night.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYTimes

The announcement that he had been told to resign along with 45 other United States attorneys around the country comes little more than three months after he met with Donald J. Trump, then president-elect, at Trump Tower, and announced afterward that Mr. Trump had asked him to stay on as the United States attorney.

Speaking to reporters after the meeting, Mr. Bharara said that Mr. Trump had asked to see him to discuss “whether or not I’d be prepared to stay on as the United States attorney to do the work as we have done it, independently, without fear or favor for the last seven years.”

“We had a good meeting,” Mr. Bharara said. “I said I would absolutely consider staying on. I agreed to stay on.”

Mr. Bharara also said at the time that he had already spoken with then-Senator Jeff Sessions, the Republican of Alabama who Mr. Trump appointed attorney general. “He also asked that I stay on, and so I expect that I will be continuing,” Mr. Bharara said.

03-11-2017 , 01:08 PM

#17831

Max Cut

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofyballer

Spoiler:

BURN IT ALL DOWN

twitter.com/OversightDems/status/840243456043814912

03-11-2017 , 01:11 PM

#17832

patron

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DVaut1

If there are more shoes to drop, let's drop them. If there are investigations to have, let's do that.

But: if we're just planning to yell about this for the next few years...

I think this is the problem, where the above narrative goes wrong. Proper investigations are not being had. As others have said, that is a national security issue.

And R's are actively preventing them from being had. That is a political issue that is hampering a national security issue.

So the answer is that political pressure must be brought to bear, just to force the proper investigations to take place. Leaks, media, and yelling about the Russian connections all help that take place. So those things should be encouraged, just so that the proper things that you agree should occur actually occur.

03-11-2017 , 01:19 PM

#17833

dopebeats

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dopebeats

So what will 2p2 do if the guy that ends up taking down Trump is the same guy that took down online poker? Seems like he'd be a really special kind of person.

Yea, I think i was on to something. Though I did think he would be appointed a special prosecutor.

03-11-2017 , 01:38 PM

#17834

ScreaminAsian

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if the guy that took down online poker took down trump, i'd call it even

03-11-2017 , 01:49 PM

#17835

microbet

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Semi-grunch

Dvaut,

When you are taking about the left are you talking about posts on message boards, Facebook and tweets? Media commentators? Or public officials?

Because if you're talking about the first group in particular, that's a problem.

It's like the republicans on this board.

Liberal: Trump said or did some awful thing.

Reactionary: 18 yo college kid said some dumb thing or antifa dude broke a window. QED.

The Russia business should be investigated and reported on because there's a lot there for sure.

Public officials and serious media analysts should have a measured response until a case can be made.

Random people screwing around online cannot be held to the same standards.

03-11-2017 , 01:53 PM

#17836

TheHip41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdemaine

Are you trying to hurt Trump with fake scandals like they did to Hillary? Like if the goal is to nod and wink and try to innuendo him out of office, godspeed. I'll justify those means to achieve a noble end but you're preaching to the choir here and I doubt the deplorables will be swayed by the tactic.

How about reversing his position on ONECHINA in exchange for millions/billions dollars worth of trademarks?

This alone is an impeachable offense.

03-11-2017 , 01:58 PM

#17837

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Originally Posted by NMcNasty

Hacking into emails obviously does! I mean I seriously don't get how you and dVault could just miss that there was a very public join intelligence report going into depth about the Russian hacking. Even Trump himself caved and finally admitted "it was probably the Russians".

I mean I know neither of you are Trumpkins, and I actually agree with your larger point, but you're downplaying Russian interference to the point of simply being inaccurate.

in addition, Trump publicly asked the Russians to hack the emails during one of his speeches.

03-11-2017 , 01:59 PM

#17838

Paul McSwizzle

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kypreanus

Ramming down the seemingly badly prepared TrumpCare seems to be a Democratic strategy:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/14329/...ats-frank-camp

excellent post

03-11-2017 , 01:59 PM

#17839

einbert

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Trump is currently violating the Emoluments Clause:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-wreck/513446/

03-11-2017 , 02:04 PM

#17840

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Re: OneChina

I think he has a legitimate defense for that one. He was too stupid to understand the gravity of his throw away comments. He didn't/doesn't have a real position, he just likes saying things cuz he has the best words.

03-11-2017 , 02:11 PM

#17841

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mw828

Ignorance isn't a defense

Even if he has no position on China before the trademarks were given out, he has a position now.

I'm an auditor, and we have independence clauses with all of our clients that we audit. I can't have stock in a company, my kids can't have stock in that company, their kids can't have stock in that company.

I can't be romantically or financially involved with any person on the clients auditing team or their CEO's

We aren't even allowed to have an appearance of independence being breached.

The president may have been indifferent to china's policies before, but now he has the appearance of favoritism. Even if Trump was super ethical and would not allow his business ties to factor into his decisions on what is best for the USA and the world, it still appears that it could

Add in the fact he's a scumbag con artist, these trademarks mean he will never do anything to china that would negatively impact those, ahead of the interest of the USA

which is impeachable

03-11-2017 , 03:05 PM

#17842

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I gotta say, Trump is a good president. I've followed politics for years but never did anything other than vote. He's gotten me to be involved. I RSVP'd for today's ACLU Resistance Training in Gainesville, FL. Over 125 people are registered. Gainesville is a big college town but other than that, it's a pretty red area political wise. It's time to bring this fascist clown down.

03-11-2017 , 03:27 PM

#17843

microbet

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In the modest number of protests or meetings I've been to this year I've probably heard "Trump is the best organizer we've ever had" a dozen times.

03-11-2017 , 03:27 PM

#17844

57 On Red

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Senator Sanders tells the Guardian that President Trump is a 'pathological liar'. (In other news, the Pope is a Catholic and bears make use of silvine environments as latrines. But wait, it gets better.)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rty-resistance

Quote:

“These are very scary times for the people of the United States, and … for the whole world. We have a president who is a pathological liar. Trump lies all of the time.” And Sanders believes the lying is not accidental: “He lies in order to undermine the foundations of American democracy.” Take his “wild attacks against the media, that virtually everything the mainstream media says is a lie.” Or Trump’s denigration of one of George W Bush’s judicial appointees as a “so-called judge”, and his false claims that up to 5 million people voted illegally in the election. Such statements, which Sanders calls “delusional”, are meant to lead to only one conclusion, he says: “that the only person in America who stands for the American people, who is telling the truth, the only person who gets it right, is the president of the United States, Donald Trump. That is unprecedented in American history.”

Of course, that thing about 'I'm the only one who can save you...' As I'm sure the senator knows, that is the mating call of the scaly-hided, drooly-fanged creature known as a fascist.

Quote:

He travels even deeper into dystopian territory when I ask what, in his view, Trump’s endgame might be. “What he wants is to end up as leader of a nation that has moved a significant degree towards authoritarianism; where the president of the United States has extraordinary powers, far more than our constitution has provided for.”

Yep, he definitely does know.

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03-11-2017 , 03:34 PM

#17845

DudeImBetter

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I think we overlook how many ppl like my mom exist. There's a **** ton of ppl who'll vote R regardless of who the candidate is and only half pay attention to politics for 6 months every 4 years. Like it's habitual more than anything else.

03-11-2017 , 03:34 PM

#17846

champstark

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Again, this will not sit well with 90%+ of attorneys in America.

03-11-2017 , 03:45 PM

#17847

prana

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So someone broke into the white house last night?!

03-11-2017 , 03:46 PM

#17848

goofyballer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Cut

twitter.com/OversightDems/status/840243456043814912

Oh you warned Trump's ****ing VP but not the American people? **** YOU DUDE

03-11-2017 , 03:47 PM

#17849

goofyballer

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What is the distinction between being asked to resign versus being fired?

Like, I understand the basic definitions of each but I don't get the charade of asking all these attorneys to resign instead of just firing them to begin with.