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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-17-2017 , 09:46 PM
Degree holders tend to make more money than non-degree holders, but olds tend to make much more money than non-olds.
02-17-2017 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Yuv
I'm not quite sure what the answer is, but do you guys really think Trump is a Putin puppet or is blackmailed by Russia or w/e or just think it's the best chance of getting Trump out of the WH?

I personally view Trump as the biggest threat to mankind since Cuban missile crisis and think the end justify the means, but like Flynn and/or campaign calls to Russia aren't really in my top 100 fears of the great orange.

He's an unstable moron, not a russian spy.
Trump's to stupid to be behind some master plan. He could definitely be getting blackmailed, or it could just be financial interests, or he could be getting manipulated by Russia and their connections inside his campaign. As more parts of that Goldenshowers dossier get confirmed, this secret sale of 19.5% of Rosneft seems beyond sketchy.
02-17-2017 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ASAP17
You really think 53% of all adult white women (would) support Trump? There is a difference between supporting and not giving a **** (which makes me angry but whatever you can't force people to care).
This has been polled also. In the latest Pew poll, 43% of white women said they approve of his handling of the job, with 35 out of those 43 points coming from women who approve strongly. This was a poll of adults, not voters or likely voters. You may think that's high, but in fact this is Trump's worst poll overall since winning the election.

http://www.people-press.org/2017/02/...ply-polarized/
02-17-2017 , 09:50 PM
i really wonder if theyll ever be able to force trump to release his taxes
02-17-2017 , 09:52 PM
Where can I place a bet the Trump purjures himself and then the House shrugs their shoulders?
02-17-2017 , 09:55 PM
I sure hope you guys are right and this actually becomes something impeach-worthy. This is a 'you best not miss' thing. Every big shot fired and missed will only make it easier for him to dodge the next one.

For now, on a personal level, I'm kinda glad that the psycho is too corrupt to start WWIII just yet.
02-17-2017 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ASAP17
Let the record show that Trump voters do make more on a median &/or mean basis than people who voted for HRC nationally.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...class-support/
The GOP billionaire outliers probably warp the mean though.
02-17-2017 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
This has been polled also. In the latest Pew poll, 43% of white women said they approve of his handling of the job, with 35 out of those 43 points coming from women who approve strongly. This was a poll of adults, not voters or likely voters. You may think that's high, but in fact this is Trump's worst poll overall since winning the election.

http://www.people-press.org/2017/02/...ply-polarized/
10% is well outside any reasonable MOE so clearly there are more white women nationally who don't support him vs do. Again that doesn't mean they "support" the Dems, they just don't like him OR don't care. It's worth noting the difference when discussing how much of a mandate he will really have. He's got power but their slim lead in the Senate is clearly going to be hard to hold together on every issue.
02-17-2017 , 09:57 PM
The document about the 100k nat guard

https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...Draft-Memo.pdf

I don't see where it says this. no 100k, deportation (though a line is close).

A possibility I hadn't considered--trump was told with proof by russians that deep state/politicians/media are doing/have done awful things and that's why he's acting super nuts but doesn't have the filter to eliminate the nonsense like bannon's lenin crap. It's still crazy dictator but one with potentially valid points. Which if that's the case we could have people that believed him (see I was right) and the hell no to crazy dictator people (also correct) and idk if we can ever recover from that.

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02-17-2017 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
If we can trust it, sure. But I don't award any points until things are material: votes, or in this case, an actual hearing with relevant people under oath.
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Originally Posted by amoeba
Maybe. It could also be a half measure designed to not find anything and placate the masses.
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Originally Posted by JoltinJake
The Rubio tweet is indeed interesting given he was at the closed door meeting with Comey today. Everyone present has been very quiet about it.
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Trump isn't gonna go down without swinging for the fences which is why his twitter needs to go now.
maybe twitter ceo could do is a favor? one can dream
02-17-2017 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
lol in the first month
speaking of the first month

02-17-2017 , 10:01 PM
Trump complains to CIA Director Pompeo about leaks and it ends up in a leak, ha!

Well the complaint was about withholding intel but one can imagine he barked at him for leaks as well.

www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-yells-at-cia-director-over-reports-intel-officials-are-keeping-information-from-him/
02-17-2017 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Current polls also show his approval high among Republicans (like 85%), who make more money than Democrats on average. If you wanna claim his most die hard supporters are poors, then I'd probably agree on a gut level without seeing data, but the suggestion that a generic Trump supporter is poor compared to a generic Dem is demonstrably false.
I never made the last claim.
02-17-2017 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
The GOP billionaire outliers probably warp the mean though.
Of course but I mean this is silly we actually are having this discussion. Clearly there are wealthy Democrats esp concentrated in the big cities/communities on the coasts but an average Republican makes more than a Democrat and that's in most communities across the country. This is because of obvious factors like the GOP is older, more male, more white.
02-17-2017 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
dont think theres anyone in the world who can stop him from using twitter
Jack Dorsey
02-17-2017 , 10:03 PM
Also his ****bag sons are traveling the globe doing BUSINESS DEALS with Secret Service protection
02-17-2017 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
Trump's to stupid to be behind some master plan. He could definitely be getting blackmailed, or it could just be financial interests, or he could be getting manipulated by Russia and their connections inside his campaign. As more parts of that Goldenshowers dossier get confirmed, this secret sale of 19.5% of Rosneft seems beyond sketchy.
personally i dont think it has to be anything more sinister then they find evidence his campaign was working with "russian operatives" to beat the DNC. if they find that, it is probably the biggest scandal in the history of this country. easily impeachable at that point and likely going to jail. I do not think it is far out of the realm of possibility that he and others around him were working with intel under putin. I know it seems crazy when you read the words, but when you think about everything that we have seen this person do and say in the defense of russia it really does not seem that impossible.

I would bet that one of the intel people that helped him win might just take him down. Sounds crazy I know, i feel crazy writing it. But I give that scenario a 15-20% chance of being real. imo
02-17-2017 , 10:05 PM
Had a talk with my dad

America is over

He has no problem with calling ABC, NBC and CBS the enemy

This guy spent his whole life being completely skeptical about the government, and thinking transparency and free press were the most sacred things in life
02-17-2017 , 10:06 PM
I genuinely think without twitter he doesn't win the election and he has no shot next time. Unfortunately, it is the perfect medium for him. Also, if you look at his recent tweets just about every reply is people making fun of him. During the campaign, it was almost exclusively bots praising him. It's almost as if they went away after their success...
02-17-2017 , 10:07 PM
He said this is the first President who has ever kept his promises, and words don't matter because Trump is going to be Trump
02-17-2017 , 10:07 PM
Fine-tuned machine alert!

www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-ignoring-cabinet-235124

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President Donald Trump this week abruptly dropped the nation's commitment to a two-state solution for Middle East peace — without reviewing the specifics of his new strategy with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.

State Department officials and Tillerson's top aides learned about the president's comments in real time, according to two sources with knowledge of the situation. Tillerson himself was in the air when Trump announced the change in the longstanding U.S. position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
02-17-2017 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ASAP17
Let the record show that Trump voters do make more on a median &/or mean basis than people who voted for HRC nationally.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...class-support/
Meaningless if not broken out along racial lines because Clinton had a huge percentage of the minority vote who are traditionally less well off. It is one of the defining problems of this country but middle class white people have it so rough.

If you break it out by race you will see different results for white people.
02-17-2017 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Sighsalot
personally i dont think it has to be anything more sinister then they find evidence his campaign was working with "russian operatives" to beat the DNC. if they find that, it is probably the biggest scandal in the history of this country. easily impeachable at that point and likely going to jail. I do not think it is far out of the realm of possibility that he and others around him were working with intel under putin. I know it seems crazy when you read the words, but when you think about everything that we have seen this person do and say in the defense of russia it really does not seem that impossible.

I would bet that one of the intel people that helped him win might just take him down. Sounds crazy I know, i feel crazy writing it. But I give that scenario a 15-20% chance of being real. imo
We literally have 100% evidence of this. We just haven't seen anything that connects trump to it past a reasonable doubt.
02-17-2017 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
Had a talk with my dad

America is over

He has no problem with calling ABC, NBC and CBS the enemy
Good news is the Worst Generation doesn't have long and that will be accelerated for some when Obamacare gets shredded with no other plan in place. Many of Trump's older voters don't know the difference between Obamacare and the ACA lol. The uneducated are winning the battle for now but that won't be the case forever (one would hope).
02-17-2017 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JoltinJake
It's not only about the blackmail allegations or even his business ties to Russia. If it's concluded that team Trump actively coordinated with Russian intelligence agents to influence the election, it would be one of the biggest scandals in American history.

We're only one step away from that right now. If the reports from the last few days are true, then we already know there were multiple contacts between Trump advisors and Russian intelligence. So, what were they talking about exactly, if not election related things?
going after the media to the extent that he's calling them the enemy signifies to me that he wants to delegitimize as many news sources as possible (in the eyes of his supporters) to make it easier to discredit inimical future reporting.

one thing that always stuck with me was when he held a press conference maybe a month ago and mentioned tiny little cameras in hotel rooms that you couldn't see. what reason would anyone have (let alone the president) to ever publicly mention this?

      
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