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I honestly don't know and you seem like you do, what's the remedy for exceeding the scope though?

He's just a DOJ employee. Can you challenge the sufficiency of a Mueller-signed indictment if the conduct charged is outside the scope?

11-05-2017 , 03:50 PM

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Victor

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This article is somewhat misleading. Here is the actual mandate:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...sel-Russia.pdf

In a nutshell, Mueller can pursue (i) anything related to links between the Russian gov't and the Trump campaign; (ii) anything that arises "directly" from the SP's investigation of links between the Russian gov't and the Trump campaign; and (iii) perjury, obstruction of justice, witness intimidation, etc., related to the SP's investigation of (i) and (ii).

(iii) simply preserves the integrity of the SP's investigation of topics (i) and (ii). It doesn't add much. (ii) is where the SP's interpretive leeway resides, such as it is. Whether something arises "directly" from a Russia investigation is somewhat in the eye of the beholder, but you can rest assured that no Republican (and probably few neutral observers) would conclude that the SP has a mandate to investigate any sort of financial malfeasance, regardless of how tangential or nonexistent the connection to Russia may be.

I'm not trying to pour cold water on Mueller. As far as I can tell, he is doing a fine job. But people need to be realistic about what Mueller likely perceives as the scope of his mandate, and as a result, what the outer topical bounds of his findings are likely to be.

I would be fine with mueller nailing everyone except trump. take out sessions, kuchner, pence, roger stone, and flynn. essentially, neuter his whole campaign and cabinet and make him toxic to work with. that would be the best way to ensure nothing gets done.

11-05-2017 , 04:02 PM

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StimAbuser

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You realize he'll just replace them with more awful people right? Especially if he just pardons them all.

11-05-2017 , 04:04 PM

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27 dead in a Texas shooting, no 1 will curr

11-05-2017 , 04:06 PM

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suzzer99

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If the shooter is Muslim they sure as hell will. And you're just making up the 27 dead right?

11-05-2017 , 04:07 PM

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champstark

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If the shooter is Muslim they sure as hell will. And you're just making up the 27 dead right?

11-05-2017 , 04:10 PM

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uDevil

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He's on it.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...65906086031363

11-05-2017 , 04:14 PM

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I wonder what the reaction will be if it's:

1. A Muslim;
2. A white guy using a bump stock; or
3. A Muslim using a bump stock.

11-05-2017 , 04:15 PM

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He's on it.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...65906086031363

The fact that he responded so quickly leads me to believe that it is a muslim and not a white guy.

11-05-2017 , 04:18 PM

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Cue Bundy and his pooped pants, 3....2....1

11-05-2017 , 04:19 PM

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FlyWf

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The fact that he responded so quickly leads me to believe that it is a muslim and not a white guy.

It's adorable you think Trump learns about things from internal government sources instead of Fox News

11-05-2017 , 04:20 PM

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The fact that he responded so quickly leads me to believe that it is a muslim and not a white guy.

But he didn't start babbling about refugees so maybe not.

11-05-2017 , 04:21 PM

#66288

microbet

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If Trump learned that it was a Muslim shooter there is exactly zero chance that stays out of his tweet.

11-05-2017 , 04:22 PM

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The fact that he responded so quickly leads me to believe that it is a muslim and not a white guy.

Why? The fact that he responded so quickly and didn't try to race-bait or politicize it makes it a huge favorite to not be a Muslim. He kept his mouth shut for hours about the NYC incident until it came out it was a Muslim.

11-05-2017 , 04:23 PM

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jalfrezi

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Maybe he doesn't know the race of the murderer, but couldn't help but tweet anyway?

11-05-2017 , 04:24 PM

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It's adorable you think Trump learns about things from internal government sources instead of Fox News

It's 3 AM in Japan. Somebody woke him up.

11-05-2017 , 04:25 PM

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free bazookas for priests

11-05-2017 , 04:26 PM

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It's 3 AM in Japan. Somebody woke him up.

Actually, I take that back. They're probably not waking up POTUS in the middle of the night for a shooting that just happenned and isn't ongoing. You're right he's probably jet-lagged and watching tv.