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02-04-2017 , 04:35 PM
Lord, you can't gaslight people with an IQ over 72. Your posts are in a public forum and don't fool anybody. This seems to upset you. Too bad snowflake.

If you wish to actually argue in good faith that my assessment of your positions is incorrect, go ahead. We both know that you won't and that your inability to do so is incredibly transparent.
02-04-2017 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
I'm worried that this guy is right.

I mean, he's obviously wrong to blame "the left" for what's about to happen. But now when an Islamic extremist inevitably blows himself up, shoots up a mall or otherwise kills a load of people on US soil, the Trump fans will all scream TOLD YOU SO at anyone who objected to the ban. We can all sit here and patiently point out that the terrorists came from Saudi Arabia / were homegrown / wouldn't have been stopped by the ban, but nobody will listen and the Trump regime will have a mandate to not only implement even harsher restrictions on immigration, but to deport existing residents. Oh, and launch missile strikes on Yemen / Iran / whichever target Trump Fox News is discussing.

It's pretty chilling to see where this is heading.
dude come the fk on. theres not gonna be a terrorist attack. we have phenomenal restraints in place. we have ppl who are really damn good a their job.

not gonna happen.

the right would absolutely love if it did.

oh sht. ya. ok ya I do think theres a chance that the right actually "allows" an attack.
02-04-2017 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
Like how Hillary garnered almost 3 million more votes than him and his approval rating right now is the lowest of any incoming president ever?

Change this because the allocation of said votes decided the election?

wtf are you talking about?
Play the game to win the game, not the game you think it should be.

If you don't understand the difference between a voter in California and a voter in the rust belt, you still don't understand why the election was lost.

People in California and other urban centres have different values from most people in most places.

You should start to understand this and think about trying to understand some of the values of other people, not only your own values.
02-04-2017 , 04:37 PM
you think there wont be a terrorist attack in the next 4 years?

That seems REALLY optimistic...
02-04-2017 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Go for it, but I predict you will lose if you go that route. Prove me wrong by all means. I strongly suspect it will make Trump win more next time.

There are very good reasons for believing this.
he's going to win more next time because he's going to restrict voting rights of those that didn't vote for him. People mostly only care about jobs and blasting another country to rubble and he's trying to do both of those things. The third one is "my group dominates your group" vs we should all be equal, naturally neither one of those things flies with the other.
02-04-2017 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Play the game to win the game, not the game you think it should be.

If you don't understand the difference between a voter in California and a voter in the rust belt, you still don't understand why the election was lost.

People in California and other urban centres have different values from most people in most places.

You should start to understand this and think about trying to understand some of the values of other people, not only your own values.
I don't care about the values of people who want Muslims banned and Mexicans deported though. You want people to appease them by changing their core values?
02-04-2017 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
What's more chilling is this:

One of the reasons we haven't had many terrorist attacks post 9-11 is because the DOJ and our intelligence communities have gotten pretty good at stopping them. Not because of idiotic things like muslim bans, but because of massive improvements in intelligence operations and law enforcement coooperation. IF the executive branch suddenly realizes that its politically advantageous for there to be a terrorist attack, some of these resources could be pulled back or downsized, allowing another attack.
yup. and I realized this halfway thru my last post. really scary and I would not bet against it.

ok, Ill stop bobboin this thread now.
02-04-2017 , 04:39 PM
I've heard bowling green massacre mentioned 3 times in absolute sincerity. I'm in ****ing Bellevue Washington at the moment. Seriously **** trump and his merry band of con-artists.
02-04-2017 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
you think there wont be a terrorist attack in the next 4 years?

That seems REALLY optimistic...
I guess it depends if you include mass shootings.
02-04-2017 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
he's going to win more next time because he's going to restrict voting rights of those that didn't vote for him. People mostly only care about jobs and blasting another country to rubble and he's trying to do both of those things.
He might well do that too, but it shouldn't dissuade you from asking core questions about why things have turned out like they have.

Or keep on being outraged, keep on fighting, maybe that'll win. I have my ideas, you have yours. Only time will tell who is right.

Or of course, Trump will do something truly mad, or get shot, or start WW3, which are all possible too.
02-04-2017 , 04:42 PM
Demographics indicate the following,

The old white generation is dying out,
Young people are far more likely to be social progressives,
Rates of religion are falling dramatically, and
Minorities, especially Hispanics, are growing rapidly.

LordJvK's conclusion, if the left doesn't start sucking up to white bigots they are doomed to never win another election.

Tells us more about how climate change is a hoax.
02-04-2017 , 04:43 PM
Lord, doing the "but I'm actually a liberal" shtick doesn't work here. It didn't work for the last 80 trolls who tried it.
02-04-2017 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
I don't care about the values of people who want Muslims banned and Mexicans deported though. You want people to appease them by changing their core values?
I want you to stop and think, before you label them or write them off or call them racists, why they think the things they do.

Try to understand even a tiny bit where they might be coming from. I'm not saying agree or roll over or appease these people. I am saying at least do better than calling them names.

Why do you think people hold these positions? Is it only because they are racist or are there other really important factors at play?
02-04-2017 , 04:45 PM
If someone holds racists views and uses thier political power to advance racist ideas what should we call them?

Patriots?
02-04-2017 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Deldar182
Getting caught would be too big a downside.
loloooloololololololol at this

why so "fake news" cnn catches him? or wall st journal?

I mean ffs, even if breitbart, for some reason gained a conscience and turned on him and exposed this hypo, they would just be relegated (as they should be.)

but you must see how this works.

and that is why ppl were so up in arms when he attacked the media.

so no, if he gets caught, which he will, there will be no downside. bc he already laid the groundwork. and enough clowns just ate it up.

and btw, to their credit, they tried to just fabricate a terrorist attack but that failed. so after conways "mistake," well, I would bet on the next move. I do think its 5050 on if they even go the length to dress them in Polish uniforms.
02-04-2017 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I want you to stop and think, before you label them or write them off or call them racists, why they think the things they do.

Try to understand even a tiny bit where they might be coming from. I'm not saying agree or roll over or appease these people. I am saying at least do better than calling them names.

Why do you think people hold these positions? Is it only because they are racist or are there other really important factors at play?
they are irrationally terrified and blame strangers for all their problems.

they're racists from fear.

Which is usually the case. They're the same people who hate black lives matter activists, I wonder why...
02-04-2017 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Lord, doing the "but I'm actually a liberal" shtick doesn't work here. It didn't work for the last 80 trolls who tried it.
If there genuinely were 80 people exactly like me, my background, my sort of views and voting record, that you have dismissed as "trolls", it really should give you pause that there is a pattern like that.

I wonder if you are capable of even reflecting on it even for a moment. Or are you going to believe the tidy narrative that they are all just evil Nazis in disguise?

It's a pity things have come to this.
02-04-2017 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK

Why do you think people hold these positions? Is it only because they are racist or are there other really important factors at play?
You tell us?
02-04-2017 , 04:49 PM
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Is it only because they are racist or are there other really important factors at play?
"Only because they are racist" implies that racism is simple or neat and clean. It's not.
02-04-2017 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
I think the only answer is to stop hating the player and start hating the game. At this point, we just have to ****ing win. The challenge is doing it without compromising everything we allegedly stand for.
must win at all costs, even if it compromises bc we are already compromised.
02-04-2017 , 04:50 PM
Yo Lord, how about you bust out with what you think some of the specific concerns of Trump supporters are and how we might go about reaching across the aisle.
02-04-2017 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Yo Lord, how about you bust out with what you think some of the specific concerns of Trump supporters are and how we might go about reaching across the aisle.
Give me a bit and I will outline some things.
02-04-2017 , 04:51 PM
the deplorable playbook is to keep asking questions so you dont show your own disgusting viewpoints
02-04-2017 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by surfinillini
All things considered regarding the ban, Bannon, et al, what odds would you place on the possibility of a domestic false flag type of attack/incident within the next 6 months?

1 in 10

1 in 100

1 in 1000

1 in 10,000
much closer to 1 in 10 than 1 in 100.

1 in 10 vs 5050 is legit argument
02-04-2017 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
people won't challenge you at all in your safe space
That would be 4chan, and you're right, they don't.

      
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