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02-04-2017 , 04:56 PM
I dunno if the mastermind is Trump or Bannon, but at this point Godwin's Law is truly obsolete. As a Jewish guy with some knowledge of history, I've seen this all play out before.
02-04-2017 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
If there genuinely were 80 people exactly like me, my background, my sort of views and voting record, that you have dismissed as "trolls", it really should give you pause that there is a pattern like that.

I wonder if you are capable of even reflecting on it even for a moment. Or are you going to believe the tidy narrative that they are all just evil Nazis in disguise?

It's a pity things have come to this.
Way more than that. Most have either been paid for their horrible opinions or let the mask slip and been openly racist though. Again, how did you get so many posts knowing so little? POG?
02-04-2017 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
the deplorable playbook is to keep asking questions so you dont show your own disgusting viewpoints
Lord literally never answers I straight question. He instead, deflects to other questions of his own like you said. It is incredibly transparent but unfortunately encouraged in chezland, home of the alt right.
02-04-2017 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
There are distinct practical reasons why these tactics will not work for the left.

I suggest reading The Righteous Mind to see why. The right can appeal to the most base aspects of humanity and get away with it. The left has to be smarter. It will not win that fight.
How about you explain for us in your own words how Martin Luther King Jr achieved what he did by staying silent and not making a fuss or being at all partisan.
02-04-2017 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
The fight seems more likely to succeed by rallying the sympathetic than changing hearts and minds at this point.
and where do you stand in all of this, lou?
02-04-2017 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
How about you explain for us in your own words how Martin Luther King Jr achieved what he did by staying silent and not making a fuss or being at all partisan.
His core message was actually one of unity, not division.

Go and listen to I have a Dream and he talked about equality, shared values, two people with colour of different skin sitting down to break bread. It was a message that anyone could get behind. And he was fighting genuine injustice, and systemic racism. He did it by making penetrating arguments built of very sound core principles, not by appealing to identity politics. I made a video about it.
02-04-2017 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic


I see my liberal friends posting that if we react strongly to EVERY Trump outrage, it diminishes our ability to protest when he does something reallllly bad. This is flatly wrong.
There is a difference between mildly bad outrages and outrages that are of a debatable nature (or trivial, such as when Obama said 57 states). For example criticizing Trump over pressuring CEOs not to move their factories.
02-04-2017 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
If there genuinely were 80 people exactly like me, my background, my sort of views and voting record, that you have dismissed as "trolls", it really should give you pause that there is a pattern like that.
Yeah, we know this move, too. Your vote - which is so, so similar to our vote - is held tantalisingly to ransom. All we have to do to win it, is exactly everything you say, all the time, forever.

No. We'll manage without you. Final answer.
02-04-2017 , 05:06 PM
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Go and listen to I have a Dream and he talked about equality, shared values, two people with colour of different skin sitting down to break bread. It was a message that anyone could get behind. And he was fighting genuine injustice, and systemic racism. He did it by making penetrating arguments built of very sound core principles, not by appealing to identity politics. I made a video about it.
So you agree with MLK that we must break the law when necessary in an act of civil disobedience? And that laws created by an oppressive minority are not just laws at all?

He had more speeches than "I Have a Dream."

Source: https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/k...irmingham-jail
02-04-2017 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I feel like I've just been called a troll, that my opinions don't matter, and that my views aren't valid. Nice open debate.
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I said I haven't followed them AS CLOSELY

But it doesn't matter. I've been told I'm a troll. That I'm a Trumpist in disguise. I'm pro-facism. Whatever else.

One day it will dawn on you why your side in this is losing so badly.

If you lose me, someone pro gay marriage, pro abortion, anti guns, who voted to remain in the EU, who lives in London, who has more college degrees than most people ... I honestly my have no idea how you expect to win over actual Trump supporters.

But keep going, keep alienating people with your righteous indignation. It's a brilliant way to achieve what you want.
lol how many times per week do we get this same tired old concern-spiel from some new poster that claims to be liberal and tells everybody to just calm down and patiently wait 4 years with minimal resistance to the trump agenda

story checks out!
02-04-2017 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
The problem is that it's the woman who has to carry the child to term.
I already said I support abortion so I'm not saying that a man should have the right to force that. However, why does carrying the child mean she is more fit to raise it and get child support? Even in cases of adopted children, women are awarded custody in more cases than men after divorce which should be enough to show that its not the fact that they physically gave birth that makes them less likely to get custody.

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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
I already offered rebuttal of CDL's proposal when the other guy put it more bluntly:



I agree there are problems with the child support systems of the West. 'Statutory abortion' or w/ever is not a solution.
Then what would be the way to fix the asymmetry on this side? We agree that allowing women to choose is acceptable even though it has a huge impact on both parties, but why not balance this in some way by allowing males a choice in the process as well (even if the choice cannot be whether to have an abortion, which I agree it should not be).
02-04-2017 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
We need the report of what's happening at SLC IAH or DFW because I guarantee you the reaction isn't the same there.


Salt Lake City confirmed unconcerned about the executive order.






02-04-2017 , 05:12 PM
This atmosphere just doesn't let itself to a sensible discussion in any way. There is too much blinkered partisanship, and in this mode people don't want to talk, they only want to fight or cheer each other on.

Sad times. I cannot post here when emotions are running this high and people are being unreasonable on this scale. If this is a microcosm for political discussion everywhere, I do despair slightly and worry genuinely about the prospect of a civil war.
02-04-2017 , 05:14 PM
You can discuss your opinions. It is so, so transparent that you are deciding to not back up your claims. Nothing more than a concern troll who is a coward when met with opposition and evidence against their opinions.
02-04-2017 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Give me a bit and I will outline some things.
i'm actually looking forward to this
02-04-2017 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
This atmosphere just doesn't let itself to a sensible discussion in any way. There is too much blinkered partisanship, and in this mode people don't want to talk, they only want to fight or cheer each other on.

Sad times. I cannot post here when emotions are running this high and people are being unreasonable on this scale. If this is a microcosm for political discussion everywhere, I do despair slightly and worry genuinely about the prospect of a civil war.
Im sure ppl will miss you
02-04-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
The University of Utah has a substantial international student population. And SLC is pretty liberal, actually. That dude can't guarantee dick.
My Alma Mater
02-04-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
This atmosphere just doesn't let itself to a sensible discussion in any way. There is too much blinkered partisanship, and in this mode people don't want to talk, they only want to fight or cheer each other on.

Sad times. I cannot post here when emotions are running this high and people are being unreasonable on this scale. If this is a microcosm for political discussion everywhere, I do despair slightly and worry genuinely about the prospect of a civil war.
this is so weak, folding up like this when people scrutinize your opinions and request elaboration or rebuttal on certain points. good riddance then, i was looking forward to your list of ways we can reach across the aisle to "reach" trump supporters, because i've mostly given up on them. but alas, you have nothing, which surprises exactly nobody itt.
02-04-2017 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Csaba
At what point can Trump be held in contempt of court?

I'm assuming that the fact that he does all of his bitching one Twitter as opposed to in the courtroom is what's saving his ass?
Even the President is entitled to free speech interestingly enough.
02-04-2017 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
In the first instance I think you have to pipe down, accept he won, re-group, think about what went wrong, think about how to beat him in four years.

Trump is one of the only politicians any of us have ever seen who does this:

1. I am making this promise.
2. Now I am delivering on this promise.

Now, given that, he's taking a huge risk with his base. If he cannot deliver his promise, if he screws things up, they will turn against him. If he doesn't, then hey ho, a good economy is a good thing right.

But if he does screw up, then you can start to really hurt him.

This stuff, this stuff right here, only makes him stronger.

He can turn and say "look, these elites are trying to stop the will of you, the people".

He can say "look, we were right, they are sore losers and they cannot take it, and they want to keep you down"

etc. etc.

Got to be smarter than this. If things continue this way, mark my words, Trump will win again. And after him someone like him again. And again.

And so on, until people learn the lessons of 2016.

Same here in the UK too.
Ah yes, the "uppity negros should pipe down. They got their separate but equal lunch counters" defense.

One of my favorite of the concern trolling "I'm totally a liberal, honest, guys" apologetics.
02-04-2017 , 05:21 PM
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If this is a microcosm for political discussion everywhere, I do despair slightly and worry genuinely about the prospect of a civil war.
I wonder where we lost our way, as a country.
02-04-2017 , 05:23 PM
Lord is so smart guys, saying we should aspire to the political discourse shown by Donald Trump. We should also aspire to the athleticism of Steve Bannon and the compassion of David Duke.
02-04-2017 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
His core message was actually one of unity, not division.

Go and listen to I have a Dream and he talked about equality, shared values, two people with colour of different skin sitting down to break bread. It was a message that anyone could get behind. And he was fighting genuine injustice, and systemic racism. He did it by making penetrating arguments built of very sound core principles, not by appealing to identity politics. I made a video about it.
Well, if you live in the fantasy world where the Civil Rights Movement started and ended with I Have a Dream - - one great unifying speech was enough to convince those in power to just give it all up - - then the above is true.
02-04-2017 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
There are distinct practical reasons why these tactics will not work for the left.

I suggest reading The Righteous Mind to see why. The right can appeal to the most base aspects of humanity and get away with it. The left has to be smarter. It will not win that fight.
You do not understand the premise of my post. The nature of the outrage can be different for different political persuasions.
02-04-2017 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Demographics indicate the following,

The old white generation is dying out,
Young people are far more likely to be social progressives,
Rates of religion are falling dramatically, and
Minorities, especially Hispanics, are growing rapidly.

LordJvK's conclusion, if the left doesn't start sucking up to white bigots they are doomed to never win another election.

Tells us more about how climate change is a hoax.
Young people are only that way until they get jobs
And realize they're the ones paying for these clowns the libs want to bring into this country who sit on their ass and get payed for by us. Most people who are normal and not hippies or bohemians become more conservative after age 30-35

      
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