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You are talking about a completely different subject. I was merely saying that those unskilled Americans who think their jobs might be in jeopardy due to immigration will not be persuaded by the Statue of Liberty poem and reciting it to them could even backfire.There was no hidden agenda or ulterior motive in my original post.

The thing is though that in the real world, my anecdotal experience is that no one literally actually recites the poem to anyone struggling to find work and the poem is most often referenced when arguing with aggressive white nationalists on the internet or employed by the President. So on the practical merits, the prospect of it backfiring is almost impossible since it never happens. How often does anyone REALLY find themselves reciting poetry to the unemployed? That never happens. Arguing with racists on the internet takes up like 50% of available internet bandwith not used by porn and Netflix.

Seems like a Komstitutional Crisis. Imagine a sex tape of underage whores peeing, and Trump appears in the scene wearing nothing but a long red tie...

Hard peen = ewww problem with the base
Limp peen = ewww problem with the base

This is ****ing sick.

That's one of your best yet.

What if, and sit down for this.

Are you sitting?

Good.

What if that's not their ****ing concern?

****ing incredible that David has managed to figure out that the "taking our jobs" thing doesn't make any sense because who the **** wants to lay drywall for $10/hr under the table, but still inexplicably thinks there are real human beings who oppose immigration because they are afraid of immigrants crowding them out of the day labor market.

Obviously I was using hyperbole. But the truth is that almost no non disabled American has a good excuse to settle for an unskilled job even if they screwed up in school. Not if they are spending lots of time on their I phone or watching TV.

The important thing about DS's poli-posts is how he knows exactly when to pop in and throw left handed support behind a human rights abusing Trump administration policy.

The general concept rather than the poem IS sometimes used to justify liberal immigration and it tends to be used on people who think that such immigration policies might cost American jobs. My only point was if that person is struggling he will resent the argument especially if it comes from someone who has a secure high paying job. I had no other point.

OMG they just brought up Browder on MSNBC Hardball. They're talking about how one arrest was already made recently, and it's tied to Russian money laundering and cleaning the money by investing in high priced Manhattan real estate.

YESSS!

But as I said: "the people" "it tends to be used on" are usually aggressive white nationalists on the internet, not people struggling.

Because I want to be clear that I think you're right from the perspective that lecturing someone who is struggling about a poem is probably a bad idea and will likely backfire. But I remain skeptical that ever happens. Mostly the poem is trotted out against unreformed racists ham-handedly concern trolling about working class employment. See: Stephen Miller.

Trump called the White House a dump? No ****ing way.

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I do not support that policy. I don't know if immigration costs jobs but I wouldn't support that policy even if it did. Because diligent foreigners deserve help more than American screw ups.

My only point was that if you are trying to persuade a struggling American who is afraid for his job, to support immigration, even if it increases his risk, you shouldn't point to moral principles like the Statue of Liberty poem because he will resent that and it will backfire, especially if the one using that argument has nothing to fear from immigration.

Reporters tried yelling out that question when Trump finished unraveling the immigration thing, but he ignored it.

EDIT: Or was it after Huck finished the briefing? I'm getting the two mixed up.

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Its trotted out against racists on national television. Besides that error though at least you get what I am saying . Everyone else seems to think I am a Trump supporter like Clovis or a nazi like Lestat.

If you are against immigration you favour a worse economy. Period.

There's no need to go that far. At least admit that your views on human rights issues are similar to those of many Fox viewers and swastika wearing folks.

Dvaut: There is a difference being a white nationalist and being against immigration, theres no need for conflation.

You might find this on my twitter feed.

Doesn't it all fall under the same umbrella anyway? A Trump executive branch can't be trusted to carry anything out fairly.

It's actually much worse than that, but I'll save ink for a different reply.

Every wonder why everyone thinks this?

It's because you either say thing without the nuance you mean to put into them or take disjointed things and tie them together. Like the news reporter talking about how the poem represents America's ideal of immigration, that we can take anyone and transform them through freedom, vs the petty racist who's on the national stage and take that and suddenly talk about some poor guy struggling. It causes a lot of mistakes because, as Dvault1 says, no one quotes the poem to anyone who's having trouble to find work, they try and help them out! And if the struggling guy is blaming immigrants then people try to explain to them that it's not immigrants taking their jobs etc. No one's going to quote a poem to the guy, come on. In what world does that happen?

Holy sweet ****ing jesus Miller going straight up racist /thedonald poster live from the White House press room.

It has to go down as one of the top 10 most surreal moments yet in this never ending cavalcade of insanity.