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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

08-04-2017 , 03:52 PM
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Former defense attorney and Fox News anchor Gregg Jarrett called grand juries an "undemocratic farce" on Thursday, just one day after writing an op-ed asking why a grand jury had not been impaneled for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's mishandling of classified information.
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Jarrett weighed in on special counsel Robert Mueller’s decision to impanel a grand jury in the investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election.

"There's only one other nation in the world other than the U.S. that employs a grand jury — it's Liberia," Jarrett, a former Court TV host, said Thursday on “Hannity.”

"And there's a reason why, because everybody now realizes that grand juries are an undemocratic farce."
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Jarrett’s comments came one day after an opinion piece on FoxNews.com in which he called on Mueller to also investigate Clinton, the 2016 Democratic nominee for president, for her mishandling of classified information, asking why a grand jury had not been impaneled.
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/34...-after-calling
08-04-2017 , 03:57 PM
As Trump touts the success of the stock market, NYT has a nice compilation of all the times before 2017 he called it a bubble

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“They worked all their lives to save and now what happens is they’re being forced into an inflated stock market and at some point they’ll get wiped out,” Mr. Trump told The Hill in October 2015 regarding American workers.
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“The only thing that is strong is the artificial stock market,” Mr. Trump told Reuters.
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“The only thing that looks good is the stock market, but if you raise interest rates even a little bit, that’s going to come crashing down,” Mr. Trump said. “We are in a big, fat, ugly bubble.”
08-04-2017 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Trump leaves for a 17-day vacation today. Confirmed Sim gone haywire.

Really stupid question because future Trump is almost too coincidental to be random. What are the odds he's actually working off his own tweets as goals?

"*Hmmm, Obama goes on 17 day vacation* Hey Mooch, make my vacation 17 days, ok?"
08-04-2017 , 04:09 PM
08-04-2017 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
Major renovations on west wing being done. Staffers not joining Trump will work from Eisenhower EOB instead. These were approved by Obama who then refused to allow them to take place during his term in office. This was his parting gift to Hillary, who unexpectantly didn't have to deal with it.
It's "unexpectedly", comrade. Please signal home for software upgrade.
08-04-2017 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud
I love the Trumpkins that spike the football over unemployment numbers and the stock market. O did it for 8 years, we call those long term gains. Y'all excited about a few months short term when anyone with a brain knows the long term outcome is extremely murky and dangerous for this administration.

I know facts tend to mean nothing to you clowns but we both know this administration hasn't passed any meaningful legislation yet to have any sort of impact. All the gains you are spiking the football over still go to Obama. Scoreboard simpletons.
Most of them think it because Trump and the gang tout it. There's no way they know what market, jobs, or unemployment conclusions to draw on their own. I mean JFC, Trump just got through telling them those same figures were fake when Obama had them.

I guess Ihat's the cost of sharing a brain with Trump tho.
08-04-2017 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99


I give him 2 months tops.
It's tricky.

One thing is that if Kelly settles things down and keeps the chaos to a minimum, it might afford Trump more time for TV and golf. The rumors were that his office was just a revolving door of people making requests and dumping information on him. That probably gets tiring. Kelly reducing the chaos might leave Trump more time for his real passion, watching news about himself on TV.

But it's a catch-22 because without the chaos, he won't be able to hear so much about himself on Fox and Friends.

So I'm not convinced Kelly is doomed. Not saying he's going to succeed but Trump is a 70+ year old incompetent, he's probably getting tired, and becoming a CEO-absentee type President can't be sounding that bad right now. Kelly keeping problems out of his hair and keeping him happy and distracted and in front of the TV might be right up his alley. You get the sense that his staff was trying to take advantage of him to get him to do stuff; lash out on twitter or lobby Congress. It might very well be that they're all coalescing around a gentleman's agreement that Trump makes everyone's lives harder instead of easier, that involving Trump makes things worse, not better regardless of their various agendas. They may all agree to play nicely with the new model so that Trump just stays out of the way as best as possible.
08-04-2017 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Anyone who isn't abjectly terrible is going to have a tough time working for this clown. Not sure why anyone would ever accept a job with him in any capacity.
i honestly think you have a duty to take the job and fight the terribleness. the difference between mattis/mcmaster and the worst members of the trump universe is millions of deaths.

mcmaster has gotten rid of some horrible people pushing insane military ideas
08-04-2017 , 04:25 PM
Contra to my point above though is that Jared/Ivanka seem like they are quietly at the center of a lot of rabble rousing of Daddy and without Daddy taking a personal involvement with them, they're probably just going to be ignored and sidelined. I mean this almost sincerely but Kelly's most critical skill is probably something like mastering the fine art of keeping Trump's kids on their perch and feeling satisfied and not bothering Daddy too much so everyone else can attend to their personal grifts, bringing about the apocalypse, whatever. I think if he can do that, he's good for a while.
08-04-2017 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
It's tricky.

One thing is that if Kelly settles things down and keeps the chaos to a minimum, it might afford Trump more time for TV and golf. The rumors were that his office was just a revolving door of people making requests and dumping information on him. That probably gets tiring. Kelly reducing the chaos might leave Trump more time for his real passion, watching news about himself on TV.

But it's a catch-22 because without the chaos, he won't be able to hear so much about himself on Fox and Friends.

So I'm not convinced Kelly is doomed. Not saying he's going to succeed but Trump is a 70+ year old incompetent, he's probably getting tired, and becoming a CEO-absentee type President can't be sounding that bad right now. Kelly keeping problems out of his hair and keeping him happy and distracted and in front of the TV might be right up his alley. You get the sense that his staff was trying to take advantage of him to get him to do stuff; lash out on twitter or lobby Congress. It might very well be that they're all coalescing around a gentleman's agreement that Trump makes everyone's lives harder instead of easier, that involving Trump makes things worse, not better regardless of their various agendas. They may all agree to play nicely with the new model so that Trump just stays out of the way as best as possible.
All that is out the door as soon as SNL does a skit about President Kelly.
08-04-2017 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
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Wait, did poconoder just find a way to bash Hillary from that 17 day vacation tweet?
08-04-2017 , 04:42 PM
how in the world is there an exact 17 day vacation trump previous tweet. also he spent xmas at mar-a-lago, so it's a double hypocritical special.
08-04-2017 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
he even looks like an old-time baseball player

The only reason why a lawyer wears a bow tie like this is to manipulate people into thinking he is a nice folksy guy.
08-04-2017 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
It's "unexpectedly", comrade. Please signal home for software upgrade.
I would say Hillary was very "expectant" of dealing with all things west wing.
08-04-2017 , 04:58 PM
Would you even care if he was guilty?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...as-guilty.html
08-04-2017 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by hemstock
Would you even care if he was guilty?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...as-guilty.html
lol wow it's starting already
08-04-2017 , 05:04 PM
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One of the reasons the president has fallen back into the habit of demanding criminal prosecution of his vanquished 2016 foe is to force his supporters to climb back down the decision tree and ask themselves again whether they would rather have Hillary Clinton as president.
Yes, of course that's why, and not because he's trying to throw up a smokescreen constantly.
08-04-2017 , 05:11 PM
Dan Coats issues stern warning to the leakers that he will find them and prosecute them to the full extent of the law.

I say we hold Dan Coats to the same standard and prosecute him for contemt of congress for his refusal to answer questions to the senate intelligence committee.
08-04-2017 , 05:16 PM
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One of the reasons the president has fallen back into the habit of demanding criminal prosecution of his vanquished 2016 foe is to force his supporters to climb back down the decision tree and ask themselves again whether they would rather have Hillary Clinton as president.
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Originally Posted by otatop
Yes, of course that's why, and not because he's trying to throw up a smokescreen constantly.
These two ideas aren't in contradiction. The 'smokescreen' is precisely effective for Republicans because it distracts from the stuff, the Trump behaviors, that they might be upset about now and reminds them they hate Democrats. I realize you're quoting a Fox News article but that insight is not wrong.

The article is pretty spot on in a lot of ways:

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You can attribute this disconnect to blind followership, “alternate facts,” or mind-boggling double talk from the administration. But there may be something else at work here: Many of Trump’s supporters wouldn’t care, even if they knew it was true.
That's absolutely true.

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When Bill Clinton’s accusers were front and center at the second presidential debate, which was held in the wake of revelations of Trump’s previous banter about sexual assault, the women were props in Trump’s show. The message: “I’m no prince, but this guy’s a worse slime.”
Also accurate.

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The approach is less effective now, of course, because we know that Hillary Clinton won’t become president, no matter what. There will be no do-over on the election, and she couldn’t even win her own party’s nomination if she ran again (again!) in three years. If Trump stops being president, it will be the gentleman from Indiana who succeeds him, not the lady from New York.

For core supporters, though, it still does the trick – albeit in a different way.

As we hear Trump devotees wail that colluding with a hostile foreign power isn’t a crime or cavil that Mueller & Co. might find other crimes unrelated to Russian disruption, what we are really hearing is their acceptance of wrongdoing. This is the big: “So what?”

The underlying argument is that she probably did something even worse, so if he lied, cheated and maybe even stole the election. For after all, he would have been only beating Democrats at their own game.

Even though this view represents a minority of a minority, it is still pretty strong evidence of an unwell national civic culture.
Right.

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That’s why we revisit this thought experiment from time to time. If we imagine that all that has been said and accused is true, would enough Republicans care enough to want Trump out?
Obviously not.

There's definitely a bunch of dumb takes in that article but none of what this dude is saying is actually that far out of bounds.
08-04-2017 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by hemstock
Would you even care if he was guilty?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...as-guilty.html
wow thats pretty slanted even for fox.

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08-04-2017 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Koss
wow thats pretty slanted even for fox.

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It's pretty honest. He's just saying what we are. What Trump says. Trump could shoot people in the face on 5th Avenue and 30% of deplorable America would be behind him and crow about that at least he didn't shoot people in the back like cowardly Hillary Clinton did to Seth Rich.

Surprised this article triggered people ITT, he's just saying the deplorables are unflinching partisan idiots, unmoored from reason and the ability to judge Trump objectively, and make excuses for his behavior by comparing them to imaginary Clinton misdeeds they fantasize about in paranoid fever dreams.

Not endorsing the article as like particularly insightful but it's actually brutally honest for a Fox News take.
08-04-2017 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
It's pretty honest. He's just saying what we are. What Trump says. Trump could shoot people in the face on 5th Avenue and 30% of deplorable America would be behind him and crow about that at least he didn't shoot people in the back like cowardly Hillary Clinton did to Seth Rich.

Surprised this article triggered people ITT, he's just saying the deplorables are unflinching partisan idiots, unmoored from reason and the ability to judge Trump objectively, and make excuses for his behavior by comparing them to imaginary Clinton misdeeds they fantasize about in paranoid fever dreams.

Not endorsing the article as like particularly insightful but it's actually brutally honest for a Fox News take.
Totally agree. If anything it's surprising to see it on fox because it basically calls their base mindless idiots.
08-04-2017 , 05:42 PM
#1 question asked on the Fox News tour: Can I dickslap Gregg Jarrett with my cock penis?
08-04-2017 , 05:45 PM
Friend does business with a guy who works in the Pentagon. Guy basically said today Trump is nothing more than a face. They don't want his hands on anything especially when it comes to the military. He's a stooge, L7 weenie and most people within the government don't treat him with that Presidential respect because they don't take him seriously. He's a celebrity that knows nothing about policy.

Obviously not much of anything we didn't already know or assume.
08-04-2017 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Surprised this article triggered people ITT
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Not endorsing the article as like particularly insightful but it's actually brutally honest for a Fox News take.
That's the surprising part!

      
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