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11-01-2008 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jthegreat
Ok listened to the interview. She wasn't threatening to try to take away any freedom of the press. She was concerned that her right to free speech was being infringed.

For the record, I disagree with her. But the point is that if you guys take what she said as a veiled threat against freedom of the press, you're morons.
Yes, she was concerned that her right to free speech was being infringed--because her ideas were criticized. In other words, she has no clue what freedom of speech even means.

I can understand having some Republican philosophies, even being a Republican. But anyone who defends this woman as being a qualified person to be President of the United States really needs to have his head examined. Eagleburger told the truth, and then was immediately on the fixed news talking about how he made a mistake and he "apologizes." The levels of loyalty it requires to be a Republican is truly astounding--I would never have defended Obama if he had picked a moronic beauty queen to be his Vice President. The press wouldn't have either, and that is the biggest problem with this criticism that the press is out to get Palin. They aren't out to get her. They are out to report on her--and all it takes is the cold, hard, facts to make her look like the idiot she is.

I for one hope the new Republican party after the election will be led by the people who have sense enough to not defend Palin. That's a Republican party that is at least intellectually honest, unlike many of the posters on this forum (jthegreat).
11-01-2008 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
Do you think Sarah Palin will push to have her husband tried for treason if she's elected?
treason lol. Because wanting to be part of a different country is the most heinous crime imaginable.

Has there ever been a Hufpo article that wasn't entirely sarcastic uncreative BS? There's plenty of good liberal journalists, I can't understand why anyone would read that nonsense.

The AIP sounds pretty badass btw.
11-01-2008 , 04:46 PM
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Right away they say he's promised he'd accept public financing...then they quote were he said he'd "aggressively pursue an agreement"

Those are not the same things at all.
lol The end result is the same regardless of the wording. He obviously didn't "aggressively pursue" anything.

Look, I don't blame the guy for taking whatever advantage he can get. It's juts funny to watch people explain this away and still try to claim Obama is some paragon of honesty/virtue instead of just another run of the mill politician.

Last edited by jthegreat; 11-01-2008 at 04:51 PM.
11-01-2008 , 04:48 PM
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But anyone who defends this woman as being a qualified person to be President of the United States really needs to have his head examined.
She meets all constitutional requirements, therefore she's qualified. You may have your own qualifications that she doesn't meet, but that doesn't mean anything past how you cast your vote. That's just the way it is. She wouldn't be my first choice for McCain's VP, but I'm not voting for VP, I'm voting for President.
11-01-2008 , 04:52 PM
I was totally interviewed by a USA Today reporter while at the Obama rally. Looking for my 15 minutes...

There was a point where Obama showed just how different his campaign is run than McCain's IMO. He mentioned McCain for the first time and there were a ton of boo's. Rather than letting them be negative like that towards his opponent (and not even on the same level as 'kill him', 'terrorist', or all the other crazy stuff that gets shouted at McCain's rallies Obama addressed it right away. He said 'Now, don't boo him, just go vote.' (paraphrasing) I thought it was well done, and he might have just added it since people think the McCain rally stuff is bad and he wants to be the candidate that's above it or whatever but it was a nice touch.

/koolaid

Last edited by rjoefish; 11-01-2008 at 05:02 PM.
11-01-2008 , 04:53 PM
well you have joe in your name, so i'd say you have a decent shot at a book deal
11-01-2008 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy
treason lol. Because wanting to be part of a different country is the most heinous crime imaginable.
sorry to break it to you, but the definition of the word is "the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance"
11-01-2008 , 05:08 PM
yea, I don't give a **** about the definition of the word. My point is that it's not un-American to want freedom and be willing to fight for it.
11-01-2008 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy
yea, I don't give a **** about the definition of the word. My point is that it's not un-American to want freedom and be willing to fight for it.
and my point is that trying to secede from America is the exact definition of un-American and the contortions you're going through are amazing
11-01-2008 , 05:16 PM
Wait, its not un-American to want to have your state not be part of America anymore???
11-01-2008 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jthegreat
Ok listened to the interview. She wasn't threatening to try to take away any freedom of the press. She was concerned that her right to free speech was being infringed.

For the record, I disagree with her. But the point is that if you guys take what she said as a veiled threat against freedom of the press, you're morons.
No, she didn't come out and say 'I want to shut down the press,' but even I don't think she's that stupid.

By her words, she seems to want to be a VP in the mold of Cheney. She's said at least four times in public that she's so grateful that the Constitution gives her some 'leeway' and 'other powers.' She said on mike that the VP gets to 'control the senate' and 'get in there and make policy.'

Any time that a GOP'er is 'concerned' about his or her rights being 'threatened,' it makes me fearful for what they're going to do once they get in power.
11-01-2008 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy
yea, I don't give a **** about the definition of the word. My point is that it's not un-American to want freedom and be willing to fight for it.
And what's unamerican about wanting to live in America, when you are in a different country, and moving here to realize that dream? Realize please that I used "treason" to demonstrate how ridiculous it is that posters are trying to associate Obama's aunt living here illegally (which he didn't even know) as a reason not to vote for him.
11-01-2008 , 05:23 PM
ugh, I don't mean America in the concrete mass-of-land-with-arbitrary-border sense. I'm talking about the American ideals that politicians love to talk about, except when someone actually wants to put it into action.
11-01-2008 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
Wait, its not un-American to want to have your state not be part of America anymore???
Lol, you put it a lot better than I did.
11-01-2008 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
And what's unamerican about wanting to live in America, when you are in a different country, and moving here to realize that dream?
nothing at all... wtf does that have to do with this topic?
11-01-2008 , 05:24 PM
Chuck Todd Hour on MSNBC
11-01-2008 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jthegreat
She meets all constitutional requirements, therefore she's qualified. You may have your own qualifications that she doesn't meet, but that doesn't mean anything past how you cast your vote. That's just the way it is. She wouldn't be my first choice for McCain's VP, but I'm not voting for VP, I'm voting for President.
In any other election, you are voting realistically for the President. But in the McCain situation, more emphasis must be placed on the (his) VP pick. In the event of his demise, she would move automatically to the Presidency, with no mechanism for a re-evaluation. Ignorance of the issues, and the constitution, is not grounds for impeachment.
11-01-2008 , 05:28 PM
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Ignorance of the issues, and the constitution, is not grounds for impeachment.
Given that the Democrats have control over Congress, I'm not that concerned. I would rather have a Republican president and Dem Congress (or vice versa) than have either party have control over both. When one party controls both, it goes nuts. See recent history.
11-01-2008 , 05:31 PM
LMAO Palin gets pranked called by a couple of Quebec radio guys.

http://www.tindeck.com/audio/filesto...SarahPalin.mp3
11-01-2008 , 05:31 PM
Palin prank called by Quebec radio duo. Believes she is talking to Sarkozy. Six minutes long.
edit-damn pony
Audio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbEwKcs-7Hc


actually verified true by multiple sources


http://canadianpress.google.com/arti..._At5WVYrBoJ6JQ
11-01-2008 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jthegreat
Given that the Democrats have control over Congress, I'm not that concerned. I would rather have a Republican president and Dem Congress (or vice versa) than have either party have control over both. When one party controls both, it goes nuts. See recent history.
"When the Republicans controlled all three branches of government, they managed to screw up on every possible level. Therefore, it's better to let the Republicans retain control of the most important of the three branches of government; if we don't do that, the Democrats will screw it all up."

I used to agree with statements like this back when I was in college. They sound good if you don't look into them too closely, at which point they become some of the worst equivalency arguments ever.
11-01-2008 , 05:58 PM
She shows such great statesmanship on this call.
11-01-2008 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy
nothing at all... wtf does that have to do with this topic?
Did you bother seeing what my post was in response to? I was demonstrating the ridiculousness of the previous poster who was calling out Obama because his aunt is living here illegally, so I responded by pointing out that Sara Palin's husband favors secession, both equally as bad reasons to not vote for a candidate. DUCY?

Edit: Actually, how could you have missed it, my reply quoted what I was replying to. Here it is again:

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Originally Posted by Shoe
Do you think Obama will ship his illegal-alien aunt out of the country if elected?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081101/..._pr/obama_aunt

Last edited by fxwacgesvrhdtf; 11-01-2008 at 06:16 PM.
11-01-2008 , 06:20 PM
Sarkozy: I really loved that documentary on your life, Hustler's "Nailin' Palin"

Palin: Oh, good...Thank you!
11-01-2008 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jthegreat
She meets all constitutional requirements, therefore she's qualified. You may have your own qualifications that she doesn't meet, but that doesn't mean anything past how you cast your vote. That's just the way it is. She wouldn't be my first choice for McCain's VP, but I'm not voting for VP, I'm voting for President.
I think the word you're looking for here is "eligible."

      
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