The reason why I brought up Michael Brown is because there is such a double standard - when he was killed, it was twisted all around to make him look like a saint, and there was outrage. When Finicum was killed, there was laughter and deriding remarks, even though, as I predicted in my post, Finicum would actually have his hands up - and Brown didn't.

What the federal government did to the Hammonds is ridiculous. I doubt most here even know their story and how stupid it is, so I'll shed some light on it.

In 1996, the government established a tough anti-terrorism law that required a minimum 5 year sentence. The Hammonds twice set fire to their own property (controlled burns), once in an attempt to stop another wild fire from spreading to their home. The other time they claim that they got permission from the BLM to start a fire, which the BLM later denied.

Both times their fire spread to BLM property. One time it burned 27 acres, the other time 1 acre. Damages were estimated at $100. (Contrast this with when the BLM's own controlled burn got out of hand in I believe 1999 and destroyed over 47,000 acres!!!)

For this they were charged under the new anti-terrorism law for destroying federal property!!!

Bwahahahahahahahahhahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahahhah ha

The judge said that this wasn't what the law was intended for, he could not in good conscience give them 5 years. The prosecutor agreed to a plea deal of several months in jail. The Hammonds then served their sentence and were released.

Then the federal government decided to renege on its plea deal and demanded that the Hammonds serve the minimum 5 years for their "terrorism". They got their way and the Hammonds were sent back to prison.

What a convenient way for the federal government to ruin a ranch so they can acquire the property - just throw the people who run it into prison for 5 years and it will go under! Then they can either buy it on the cheap or seize it for unpaid taxes! THIS TYPE OF BULLYING HAPPENS ALL THE TIME by the federal government for the sole purpose of taking away people's land.

As far as the silly individual who mentioned me linking a Kent Hovind video and then trying to use my "allegiance" with Hovind as an argument (LoL), the way I found this particular video is I clicked on a video in my suggestion's list of "Evolution is not real", which featured Hovind. I watched it for a few minutes, then clicked on a video in the sidebar about why Hovind is in prison, just out of curiosity. By chance, the John Oliver video was in that video, I did a brief search of John Oliver video's/IRS but couldn't find anything so I just linked the Hovind video. The John Oliver video, despite being in a video defending Kent Hovind, has nothing to do with Kent Hovind.

As for the John Oliver expose on the government unjustly and arbitrarily taking citizens money, cars, land, houses and belongings, you have all remained silent. Shame on you!

Amazing. Sometimes the truth is even better than the speculation.

The old "you deserve to die if you're not an angel" chestnut. Fun times

Where did I say that?

Nice try.

I'm not allowed to click on a video out of curiosity? Ohhhh, that's right, you're not allowed to look at another's perspective, especially if on the surface it looks ridiculous. Just dismiss it without looking or thinking. That seems to be the MO of many of the long time posters on here.

Fwiw, I believe in evolution.

Maybe this is just a pet peeve, but people pretending to be super-knowledgeable about military and police tactics should first learn the difference between "ordinance" and "ordnance".

What you don't seem to understand is that under normal circumstances, the prosecutor will represent the rights of a third party, according to the laws of the US.

Under these circumstances, the government wants something that belongs to somebody else and decides that they are going to use the power of the government to get it.

Hence, conflict of interest.

P.S. The BLM doesn't have any laws written into the books, they can make up whatever they want and say it's the law. Like the video I saw of a guy flying a drone in a park, the government workers came and told the guy it's illegal. He asked where it states that in the law. They said they are saying he can't and that's the law.

Leaving out they were accused of setting the fires to cover up poaching is a tell.

ironically, your posts are causing me to question it

These poor hard working white people keep getting bullied and no one cares. If only they had it easy like those lazy blacks.

Michael Brown wasn't made "to look like a saint", people questioned his shooting in light of him being unarmed and his friend's testimony, which in hindsight was likely not true it worth looking into. Finicum was known to be armed, facing possible felony charges, and had been part of a group expressing great willingness to shoot it out with police - wonder why we maybe treat these cases differently. Then he evaded law enforcement and nearly crashed into a road block with actual human beings at risk. Also anyone can see him reach inside his coat on the video - I'll grant maybes 5% chance of this showing anything other than him reaching for a gun and being subsequently shot.

This guy probably thinks Eric Garner and Tamir Rice had it coming as well.

Oh and I see he subscribes to the highly favorable, conspiracy driven version of the Hammond case, another shocker.

What third party is being represented by the prosecutor in "United States v. Ammon Bundy"?

The government proved in court that the Hammonds didn't have permission. There is also evidence they started the fire to cover up illegal poaching. One of the defensive fires that the Hammonds started was near some firefighters and could have been deadly.

There was no plea deal.

I agree that the sentence seems overkill, but it is lawful, and the Hammonds were found guilty. Maybe people should focus on changing the law.

You ever been hit by 700 pages of zoning bylaws? ****'s no joke.

It would be no fun for us to all talk about how dumb mandatory minimums are dumb but I'd bet the folks mad at the Hammond sentence more than support it in other cases involving you know, those people.

Maybe you should be more skeptical about the information you get from youtube videos, let alone youtube videos you discover because they are well-loved by evolution-deniers?

Good point. I wonder how often spelling came up in the last 10 years or so while d10's been active duty.

Would seriously **** up the hull of a boat.

Yeah unsurprisingly bro the youtubes by crazy racists aren't really giving you the real skinny on how the American court system or legislature operate. It'll cool, though, keep nursing that grudge against the liberal media for being ******-lovers.

re: non-lethal rounds. I actually had no clue what they looked like. The googles tell me that China used to fire parts of broom handles. That's ****ing crazy.

Given that the last celebrity "oppressed" rancher, and father of the future firearm less felon currently in the news, talked about being oppressed and then, in the next breath, about how the negro was better off as a lucky duck slave, maybe cool it with the Michael Brown/hypocrisy talk if you don't want to sound like a giant racist

Yeah, I'm guessing he's gonna be a felon. Realistically, I think his firearm less days have already began. He don't got none now. CNN is reporting he was denied bond. Even if he does bond out, he'll have a firearm restriction. If he plea bargains, such a restriction would undoubtedly be agreed to. Even if he is not convicted, there's a 1000 other ways he could end up not legally getting to play with guns anymore.

In other news, the idiots still holding out have decided they have such a strong position, that they've upped their demands from they four walk -to- everyone walks. Genious.

ya think?

nope. no more toys for him. and hopefully, we will be paying his living expenses for a long time.

as far as the holdouts. wtf? time to extract them.

If there was ever a time to use a drone domestically this is it. Or they could just try the Janet Reno trick I suppose.

Funny how with that black dude at Big Bear Mountain they only waited about 2.5 minutes before deciding he needed to be burned alive.

That whole thing just says a lot about cops. They went on a shooting rampage and shot two tiny hispanic ladies delivering newspapers and at a white guy - 100 miles from where Dorner was - because they were in pickup trucks and Dorner might have been in a pickup truck. Not even all the same make and color. And, no prosecution because they legitimately feared for their safety after having imagined that they might be facing Dorner.